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He's just setting them on top of the heatsinks, NOT a bad idea as any air movement is better than NO air movement but I'm still tickled with my "Snap- Ons".
 

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So Lee, where did you get the Tara interconnects. I'm now wondering if I'm getting everything the Onix has to offer, and from what you have said, I am not. I can't imagine there is more, but if there is, I can't stand not getting it all. If you could give me the link, I may have to spring for a pair, or if someone has a better interconnect in the sub $100.00 range, or even a DIY cable which I could build from silver, or copper, or unobtainium, or whatever, I'm game to try that as well. I always thought it was all hype, but if LEE ordered a bunch, there has got to be something to it. Thanks for any suggestions guys and gals..
 

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Oh, I'm running a pre/pro, and several amps from the pre/pro..and I have my toerh tube system with a preamp an amp, and a phono preamp. I probably could use 10 pairs like Lee, but the moola situation isn't all that great right now with my Altec and Phase addiction, plus painting the inside of the house for the wife, plus the daughterr's college tuition room and board..so I was just wishing....maybe I could build cords if I could find a DIY recipe..
 

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Lee,
I used the snap on fan mounting technique and it works great. Two of the $9.95 Apex (http://www.apexjr.com/index.html) fans from Steve Slater (Made in Germany) are a perfect match for the PL 700 heatsink size. When I powered my amp on I heard a buzzing and thought maybe I fried a cap or something... I turned out to be a vibration of the fan on the heatsink because the clip was not pushed down on one side. I pushed it down and the buzz went away. Now, powerful outputs that stay cool; could you ask for anything more?

Mark
 

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ksrigg said:
Oh, I'm running a pre/pro, and several amps from the pre/pro..and I have my toerh tube system with a preamp an amp, and a phono preamp. I probably could use 10 pairs like Lee, but the moola situation isn't all that great right now with my Altec and Phase addiction, plus painting the inside of the house for the wife, plus the daughterr's college tuition room and board..so I was just wishing....maybe I could build cords if I could find a DIY recipe..
I can get the Tara Lab RCA connectors. The wire is a different story. Do you solder? Plus you want to shield them. We have found a shrink tube shielding. If Nando is done with his test he may send the ICs to you.

Wire you are going to pay 3.50 and up a foot for wire. If you buy from me you get a 20% discount. Do what you want.

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ksrigg said:
Oh, I'm running a pre/pro, and several amps from the pre/pro..and I have my toerh tube system with a preamp an amp, and a phono preamp. I probably could use 10 pairs like Lee, but the moola situation isn't all that great right now with my Altec and Phase addiction, plus painting the inside of the house for the wife, plus the daughterr's college tuition room and board..so I was just wishing....maybe I could build cords if I could find a DIY recipe..
I can get the Tara Lab RCA connectors. The wire is a different story. Do you solder? Plus you want to shield them. We have found a shrink tube shielding. If Nando is done with his test he may send the ICs to you.

Wire you are going to pay 3.50 and up a foot for wire. If you buy from me you get a 20% discount. Do what you want.

Larry
Sure, I can mail the Tara Lab ICs to the next tester, Larry. I haven't tried them yet, but I can do that this week. I would first like to try them between my Pioneer Elite CD player and Elite C-72 Control Amplifier, then maybe the cassette deck output (playback) to the dbx 400X Route Selector. I want to hear if there is discernible change in the sound quality with the Tara Lab wires installed.

Nando.
 

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Lee,
I used the snap on fan mounting technique and it works great. Two of the $9.95 Apex (http://www.apexjr.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) fans from Steve Slater (Made in Germany) are a perfect match for the PL 700 heatsink size. When I powered my amp on I heard a buzzing and thought maybe I fried a cap or something... I turned out to be a vibration of the fan on the heatsink because the clip was not pushed down on one side. I pushed it down and the buzz went away. Now, powerful outputs that stay cool; could you ask for anything more?

Mark

Did you notice on the Halex clips the sharp barb on the one tine?? I took my Dremel and groung that smooth and bent the tines for a bettere grip. With that barb intact they had a death grip and left deep grooves in the heatsinks themselves.
Thew 400 heatsink spacing is different so a different pattern had to be used. Thbe original fans I used on the 700's were 4-5/8 square and on the 400's the standard 5" squares were just right.
Also, I'm in the middle of a big parts swap to get some PL parts I don't have . Do you want any XPL-909's or RCA-410's before I send most of them off??. I'm trying to get a lietime supply of 2N3403's and 1304's and 1305's??
 

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Sure, I can mail the Tara Lab ICs to the next tester, Larry. I haven't tried them yet, but I can do that this week. I would first like to try them between my Pioneer Elite CD player and Elite C-72 Control Amplifier, then maybe the cassette deck output (playback) to the dbx 400X Route Selector. I want to hear if there is discernible change in the sound quality with the Tara Lab wires installed.

Nando.


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ksrigg said:
So Lee, where did you get the Tara interconnects. I'm now wondering if I'm getting everything the Onix has to offer, and from what you have said, I am not. I can't imagine there is more, but if there is, I can't stand not getting it all. If you could give me the link, I may have to spring for a pair, or if someone has a better interconnect in the sub $100.00 range, or even a DIY cable which I could build from silver, or copper, or unobtainium, or whatever, I'm game to try that as well. I always thought it was all hype, but if LEE ordered a bunch, there has got to be something to it. Thanks for any suggestions guys and gals..

Sutton, I'll send a couple pair with the OERW. Larry, got him covered. Sutton they are well worth it, and you can send em back when you get some.

And you are right, I don't recommend cables or ICV's, I thought it was all smoke and insulation, BUT.....I was wrong.
 

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What are you running now? Good luck.

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If you hadn't asked I wouldn't have bothered to look. The cables came with the Pioneer Elite CDP when I bought it. They are Acoustic Research Pro Series Directional Balanced Line Audio Cables. I didn't even bother to take note of the flow arrows, until now. I had a 50/50 chance to accidentally install them with the directional arrows the right way. They were.

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I appreciate that Lee. Where is the best place to get them? And which one is the one? Tara Labs___________IC's....or are there other ones in the price range that are as good? How about any of the ones on eBay coming out of Hong Kong or China? Are any of them any good?
 

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Sutton I'm not sure, was just following Larry's lead on this and he did me right. He's a dealer so he can place an ordedr for ya.
 

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They are going out as soon as I get the shipping papers Sutton, AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SPEAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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LOL I very seldom get the arrows right. The ones I sent you I don't think they have the arrows. I know mine don't.

Larry



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How do it know?
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Thermos bottle."

"The Thermos bottle!" the professors exclaimed. "How on earth can the Thermos bottle compare to fire, the wheel or the internal combustion engine?"

"Well, it keeps hot things hot an' when you put cold things in it it keeps 'em cold".

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I sent the shipping labels by email for UPS. I insured both packages for the amount I will have in them...so hopefull ythey will arrive in good shape. I can't wait. I looked at the specs on the Brystons 7B's which have been driving the Altecs and they are rated at 500 watts per channel, and I have gotten the preamp up to -7 db, and have been afraid to push the speakers much harder..So I think the PL WO 1000 will not be presenting much more power, if any to the speakers. I just have to get my nerve up and turn the power to 0 db and see what happens. The Brystons do have clipping indicators, but I'm sure the aluminum diaphrams in the horns would be the first things to go, and at $100.00 each, I'd really rather not take two of them out. I have some $25.00 Hong Kong specials coming, so if I can figure out how to use the screw terminal diaphrams in the horns, I may push it with the cheaper diaphrams..

If UPS picks up on Thursday, I should have the PL WO amps on Wednesday of next week. I'll have to get ready to remove a 4B and a 7B to make room. I can't wait to hear these monsters...Next on the agenda is to figure out how to bi-amp the Altecs so I can put 500 watts on the woofers and 250 watts on the tweeters...Don't know if they will take it as the little wires that go from the voice coil to the diaphram is tiny...

Do you use a horn driver for tweeter? Have you pushed the envelope with yours? The woofer (515-8G version) in the Altecs is rated for 75 watts continuous and the tweeter (902-8B) is rated for 30 wats continuous. The other pair has 416-8A woofers and 808-8A tweeters.......and I think they are rated for much LESS power. Something like 30 for the woofer and 20 for the compression driver...

Even with the power..the woofers barely move...very rigid spider..so they might take the juice..the diaphrams, however are another story...
 

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In the original K-77 horn driver I was regularly replacing diaphrams. The EV Tweets went on a regular basis also. And the last straw was when the woofer went. The new Crites 1526S woof is designed after the pre 1974 K-33 woof and is just outstanding. The B & C 2" horn driver in the Martelli "Tractix" wood horn is a vast improvement over the K 400/77 combination. I'm still undecided between the Crites CT-125 and the B & C DC-10 tweeters.
This setup was supposedly good for 100 watts continuous..............as we all know I have blown that spec plumb accross the water.
 
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