The 25 700B's Look Like A Done Deal

[laatsch55]

I'm not asking for monetary help folks, i think the profits from 26 WOPL's will be a good start. There are other ways to raise money if and when we need it, but a framework of what and how we do this is probably due...

 

[Zach C.]

I know what you mean.....hehe. (Nav's Cue to jump in here)

But when it comes down to serious stuff there is no better place.

I just meant the childish playfulness. That's not all bad.

Yeah, mellow, decent group of guys here.

 

[laatsch55]

I like the idea of this Lee. I'd be willing to help where I could.

What about a resource for difficult to obtain items that could be bought in quantity and resold at a reasonable price? What about a wire kit by gauge or maybe a Wima cap kit cobbled together from multiple buys?

You have a good start on all this - maybe it can be pushed up a notch.

you were in the yes coliumn before ya said anything....

 

[Zach C.]

I'm not asking for monetary help folks, i think the profits from 26 WOPL's will be a good start. There are other ways to raise money if and when we need it, but a framework of what and how we do this is probably due...

If this were pushed to a "production" thing, how would one predict annual orders to know how much to procure and if a hand full of techs could get the orders filled?

Folks don't like to lay down money to wait, and wait.. (ask Ron!) so you have to have something between bespoke and full on production, right?

Is it reasonable to think that a small inventory of units could be maintained? And again, how many is just right?

 

[laatsch55]

All pertinent questions...I for one have no desire to manufacture anything in the United States at this time. However a "cottage assembly" type setup might work. But the gist of the "fund" would be primarily group buys to begin with and if that group buy was a first run of transformers, well so be it.....there are a lot of things that ould be done, deciding on "what" to do is the first thing I suppose....

 

[laatsch55]

If this were pushed to a "production" thing, how would one predict annual orders to know how much to procure and if a hand full of techs could get the orders filled?

Folks don't like to lay down money to wait, and wait.. (ask Ron!) so you have to have something between bespoke and full on production, right?

Is it reasonable to think that a small inventory of units could be maintained? And again, how many is just right?

I think a small inventory is smart. BUT!! What about warrantees?? ON who? The builder?

 

[laatsch55]

I can not speak for Joe, BUT...I believe Joe wants to remain in the "parts for upgrade" position. Being a manufacturer is a pain in the ass. Lot of overhead none of us wants to deal with. I believe a minimum order on big items like transformers are 50 and we could build a pricing model on that, then again, maybe, stock a complete suite of parts to build a WOPL and take orders to build them....the price for parts would be the same and the individual builder sets his own assembly pricing???

 

[Zach C.]

All pertinent questions...I for one have no desire to manufacture anything in the United States at this time. However a "cottage assembly" type setup might work. But the gist of the "fund" would be primarily group buys to begin with and if that group buy was a first run of transformers, well so be it.....there are a lot of things that ould be done, deciding on "what" to do is the first thing I suppose....

I agree that full on production/ marketing is likely not the way to go...it's just one end of the spectrum of possibilities.

That's what I meant when I asked where do you fall between bespoke and production. IOW, it only makes sense to make Chassis, transformers, etc as group buys, but then who holds the stuff? Does "Phoenix" own them, and when there's a request, the individual that commissions the build make payment to you (Lee) who then distributes product and funds to an assembly tech, and an order to White Oak? Does the purchaser make payment to three parties- Phoenix, White Oak, Tech? (might be best from a legal perspective?...anybody?) If so, how are you compensated for the trouble, and other than new super awesome amps being available, how does it benefit this community at large?

Does each prospective builder put in for so many of the group buy parts. How do they then market the units? What is the "market value" on such an item...

1000 questions and more possible paths.

 

[laatsch55]

I agree....

 

[NavLinear]

Pushed up what?

Kinda left myself open there didn't I?

 

[jbeckva]

I personally would like to see a "ground-up" WOPL, Lee. One where we are not knocking over trucks, craigslist ads, ebay non guarantees, and the like. I said it already - transformers and meters... the rest between the metalworking knowledge available and Joe's engineering could "progress". To that end how about some of ya's break open the CAD tools ya might have, and see what you can come up with?

 

[laatsch55]

Joe is doing the chassis as we speak and Skratch is doing the faceplates, got it covered.....

 

[jbeckva]

You know.. a good song to WOPL out with ... Alan Parsons ~ L'Arc en Ciel Bass lines should jump up atcha and go BOOGAH BOOGAH!

 

[laatsch55]

boogah,boogah????????

 

[jbeckva]

boogah,boogah????????

You had to be here, Lee...

 

[laatsch55]

Amen Jer, know what ya mean there....

 

[Northwinds]

I think this is a wonderful idea. The WOPL's are special but ultimately will lead to a WO amp with it's own identity, I am excited to see what Joe comes up with. The WOPL's are the prototypes of what is to come. Whoever has one has a true piece of audio history. Old meets new. I can't wait to see that New ends up being and I am glad to help in anyway I can. If we do fundraising for whatever, I can always contribute and sell some records to help raise cash to help anyone that needs it

 

[laatsch55]

the new will blow your shit away....

 

[Rex Everything]

Oh man....this makes me excited to see I could get a "ground up" WOPL 1000B.

I'd be willing to help in any way I can.

Another excellent idea, Lee!

 

[derek92994]

I'm not asking for monetary help folks, i think the profits from 26 WOPL's will be a good start. There are other ways to raise money if and when we need it, but a framework of what and how we do this is probably due...

Once I get that amp and show it to my friend Peter, I am hoping he will want one. Going to hook it up to his $3800 speakers which are apparently not efficient at all and blow his mind. Maybe he could spread the word to his friends and possibly help you sell more units in the future.