Johnny D's 700 Adventure

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Hey Guys,
Just got done hooking up a big ass bridgeport for my buddy, VFD drive and all the computer and aligned the machine, going to make him a cad drawing of the knobs for the PL700b and he's going to reproduce exact for me. if they come out really nice I'll have him make more and it can be a restore retro...Just a fyi, also going to design a schroud for the back of the amp to hold 2 muffin fans...try to get him to make that too...he just got laid off from the machine shop he worked at so he will have plenty of time...
 

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Joe, take a look at this for me, just made this transistor test / matcher, used a old amp plate for the surface with the transformer and added a regulated 3 amp power supply and the resistors for the loading. I will post the schematic and coplue pics for the tester. I added the leds and the center off switches for appying the loads and a high low switch for mosfets. The dial applies the voltage and the test sockets measure collector current as voltage, throught the resistor bank...the switch next to the dial is NPN / PNP selector, tell me what you think if it is a worthy tool for matching and grading...Thxs.[attachment=2:3ozse5to]Picture 016.jpg[/attachment:3ozse5to][attachment=1:3ozse5to]Picture 015.jpg[/attachment:3ozse5to][attachment=0:3ozse5to]Picture 017.jpg[/attachment:3ozse5to]
 

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So, are you capable of HFE readings or just checking the BE,BC jct's for similiar characteristics??
 

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just checking collector current now, should add a emitter resistor and match for emitter current too...gotta put up pic of PS schematic
 

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Hi John
The schematic you have shown, did you obtain it from somewhere?

For device matching, usually you are most concerned about base emitter voltage matching. This circuit is not set up for that.

What usually works well is a fixture with the base grounded, the collector attached to a positive DC source and the emitter connected through an appropriate value resistor to a negative DC source.
DMM connections are positive lead to ground and negative lead to emitter of device under test (DUT). Keep DUT wattage low during the test or it will take a long time for the reading to stablize. Keep your lead length short and ensure good connections.

All power sources should be well regulated sources or your readings will drift all over the place.

The positive supply voltage is less critical for absolute setting than the negative supply. It is just ensuring that the transistor is not in saturation.

For NPN small signal transistors my set up is:
Positive voltage source = 4VDC
Negative voltage source = -14VDC
Emitter resistor = 68,000 ohms 1/4W
This produces a Collector-Emitter current of ~200uA

For TO-3 NPN power transistors my set up is:
Positive voltage source = 3VDC
Negative voltage source = -14.3VDC
Emitter resistor = 100 ohms 10W. Mount this resistor away from the DUT as it will be dissipating ~1.5W and you do not want its heating effects screwing up your readings.
This produces a Collector-Emitter current of ~137mA and a DUT dissipation of ~1/2W

Do all your matching as close in time as possible to get the same ambient temperature in the room you are testing in.

It will take a while for the device to temperature stabilize and for you to get a stable reading. Be patient.

I have a long chart that I constructed of quadrille paper for sorting the devices, 8.5x11" sheets taped end to end vertically.
The lowest marking is 0.625V and then there is a major marking every five squares at 0.630, 0.635, 0.640 and so on up to 0.690. This will give you a millivolt resolution chart.

I lay this sheet on my working bench and lay the graded devices next to the millivolt gradation line corresponding to how the device graded out. Don't let your cat in the room or he/she will knock all your hard work off your chart :)

Your body heat temporarily affects the DUT as all bipolar semiconductors have a negative tempco on the base emitter junction. Wear gloves to minimize this or use needle nose pliers to install the DUT in the tester socket.

Hope this helps.
 

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Wow. No cat huh?? that could be a problem. So you are looking for voltage matches at a regulated current through the BE jct?
 

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Yes that is the idea. Remember the output drivers all have their bases connected with a fat bus wire and their emitters connected to a fat bus wire with an intervening emitter power resistor. So this Vbe matching is the critical matching parameter.

For the front end, long tailed pair, the theory is very similar but small signal in nature. The emitters of these are directly tied together and connect to R6. Thus the amp offset is directly affected by the Vbe of Q1 and Q2.

The matching method may be different for other non-Phase Linear amp applications but this is the best method for use within PL amps.
 

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Hi Joe so basically the collector current readings are useless...could I enhance this rig and add a emitter resistor and use that as my readings? With a DUT, it seems to load the transistor...Have to do a test and see if any of the voltages calculate to what you specified...been trying to find a good tester but all the ones Im seeing have a shit load of IC's and components and are so complicated to try and understand what is going on during the tests..
 

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Thats how I match my tubes basically, same type of rig, only voltages are adjustable and wire wound pots for cathodes, to simulate amplifier working parameters. Only Im doing 4 tubes at a time...
Do the transistors in this setup pull significant current in regards to the 100k emitter?
Does it reqiure a heatsink...?
 

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John
I put that in my earlier post:

For NPN small signal transistors my set up is:
Positive voltage source = 4VDC
Negative voltage source = -14VDC
Emitter resistor = 68,000 ohms 1/4W
This produces a Collector-Emitter current of ~200uA

For TO-3 NPN power transistors my set up is:
Positive voltage source = 3VDC
Negative voltage source = -14.3VDC
Emitter resistor = 100 ohms 10W. Mount this resistor away from the DUT as it will be dissipating ~1.5W and you do not want its heating effects screwing up your readings.
This produces a Collector-Emitter current of ~137mA and a DUT dissipation of ~1/2W

No heat sink required or desired for this test. It would just slow things down.
 

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Ok, heres the issue...don't get fustrated with me, these numbers mean nothing to me unless I know where the voltages are landed. I read schematics and blue prints all day at work thats all I know. Give me a schematic and Ill make it, blue print Ill build it, but there are locations for everything. Just trying to understand. I'm assuming the -14.3 will feed the 100ohm resistor to the emitter connection, the 3 volts will feed the base and the collector is grounded? is there a reference or bias voltage in there?
 

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I thought the thing was buildable from the article. Page 2 John. Should be a piece of cake for yous!!
 

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Hey Lee, how kevins amp comin?
The article does show everything but thats for the smaller transistors, trying to match the to3's.
Joe explained it the first time pretty good for the locations but the 3v+ and 14v- tru me off.
How do you get the 3v+, is there a resistor in the 14+ feed...and is there a refrence like the schematic on page 2. Should i copy that setup and punch in the parts he explained. Am I missing something, with the currents and the resistances avalible, should i use PIE to calculate the + resistor to get 3v.
 
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