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There seems to be a lot of activity in the forum with people building/restoring/optimizing their vintage turntables. It's impressive just how far some have gone in order to bring these electro-mechanical marvels back to Day 1 (or better) operation.
Myself, prior to joining this forum my plan was simply to restore my old audio system & then feed it with a modded CD player supplemented by the occasional DVD and the obscure stuff only found on the internet. In other words, I didn't have plans to play any vinyl...
Of course, hanging out in here & seeing how much fun the vinyl & reel-to-reel crowd are having, it seemed only right to go ahead of see if I could tackle my old Dual 606 and undo the years of neglect. And if I'm going to do that, then I might as well see if I can bring back my first-ever preamp, a PL 2000.
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Once I cleaned up the turntable & it seems to be ready for duty, now I was wondering how was I going to best take full sonic advantage of this analog input? Restoring the old PL 2000 phono stage was a given, but then again how would I be able to figure out (quantify) just how far away I was from today's State Of The Art? (As in, how do I ensure that I have the lowest possible background noise level when enjoying vinyl?)
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One thing I've learned over my career is that the single hardest scenario to troubleshoot/fix/characterize/optimize/POOGE/hot rod/comprehend is when you only have ONE item to work with -- that is, no constant (unmodified) device to compare my progress against in order to keep from lying to myself...and others. (!)
Sure, with high quality test gear you can document the improvements made over time...the problem is, some of what makes us enjoy the listening experience the most seems to be just beyond the reach of what 'mere mortal' test equipment can resolve. (!)
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So, when Gepetto pointed out that I could explore the area of battery-powered phono preamps featuring an affordable price of admission (plus the fact that this same preamp had created quite a stir in the audiophile community back in the day), I was instantly sold:
As a matter of fact, it was so affordable that I was recently able to further improve my test setup with a 2nd identical (think control) phono preamp -- it arrived early...today! From everything I can tell, it is actually a NOS cream puff:
To me, this is the best of all worlds, for I now have the opportunity to compare & contrast 3 different phono stages - eventually having the PL 2000 vs. a control unit vs. a unit upgraded by swapping out the old parts with today's low-noise/improved versions of the same. (!)
Done in a disciplined fashion, I can take this just as far as my interest in reproducing high-quality music from vinyl or my system's ability to resolve these differences will allow me to discern...
NOTE: To make sure that I'm not just deluding myself with 'expectation bias' my plan is to record the sound of the circuit in question, make the mod, and then record the same test tone or music sample again...and then by using this software be able to clearly define the difference made. (if any!)
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The Perspective:
When you read my subsequent posts, please keep the following hand-drawn graph in mind.
Once I get the rest of the system restored, my plan is to then take these $20 battery-powered phono stages & see how far I can push them from their 'near zero' starting point towards the knee of the curve on this hand-drawn graph.
Of course, in the unpopulated state the curve above is a pure abstraction that conveys no meaning, so I am going to populate it with a selection of battery-powered phono stages for sale *right now*. Admittedly this is an unscientific sample...but at the same time, my hope is that it provides some food for thought for anyone else tinkering with their vinyl in 2022.
FWIW --
Myself, prior to joining this forum my plan was simply to restore my old audio system & then feed it with a modded CD player supplemented by the occasional DVD and the obscure stuff only found on the internet. In other words, I didn't have plans to play any vinyl...
Of course, hanging out in here & seeing how much fun the vinyl & reel-to-reel crowd are having, it seemed only right to go ahead of see if I could tackle my old Dual 606 and undo the years of neglect. And if I'm going to do that, then I might as well see if I can bring back my first-ever preamp, a PL 2000.
****
Once I cleaned up the turntable & it seems to be ready for duty, now I was wondering how was I going to best take full sonic advantage of this analog input? Restoring the old PL 2000 phono stage was a given, but then again how would I be able to figure out (quantify) just how far away I was from today's State Of The Art? (As in, how do I ensure that I have the lowest possible background noise level when enjoying vinyl?)
****
One thing I've learned over my career is that the single hardest scenario to troubleshoot/fix/characterize/optimize/POOGE/hot rod/comprehend is when you only have ONE item to work with -- that is, no constant (unmodified) device to compare my progress against in order to keep from lying to myself...and others. (!)
Sure, with high quality test gear you can document the improvements made over time...the problem is, some of what makes us enjoy the listening experience the most seems to be just beyond the reach of what 'mere mortal' test equipment can resolve. (!)
****
So, when Gepetto pointed out that I could explore the area of battery-powered phono preamps featuring an affordable price of admission (plus the fact that this same preamp had created quite a stir in the audiophile community back in the day), I was instantly sold:
As a matter of fact, it was so affordable that I was recently able to further improve my test setup with a 2nd identical (think control) phono preamp -- it arrived early...today! From everything I can tell, it is actually a NOS cream puff:
To me, this is the best of all worlds, for I now have the opportunity to compare & contrast 3 different phono stages - eventually having the PL 2000 vs. a control unit vs. a unit upgraded by swapping out the old parts with today's low-noise/improved versions of the same. (!)
Done in a disciplined fashion, I can take this just as far as my interest in reproducing high-quality music from vinyl or my system's ability to resolve these differences will allow me to discern...
NOTE: To make sure that I'm not just deluding myself with 'expectation bias' my plan is to record the sound of the circuit in question, make the mod, and then record the same test tone or music sample again...and then by using this software be able to clearly define the difference made. (if any!)
****
The Perspective:
When you read my subsequent posts, please keep the following hand-drawn graph in mind.
Once I get the rest of the system restored, my plan is to then take these $20 battery-powered phono stages & see how far I can push them from their 'near zero' starting point towards the knee of the curve on this hand-drawn graph.
Of course, in the unpopulated state the curve above is a pure abstraction that conveys no meaning, so I am going to populate it with a selection of battery-powered phono stages for sale *right now*. Admittedly this is an unscientific sample...but at the same time, my hope is that it provides some food for thought for anyone else tinkering with their vinyl in 2022.
FWIW --
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