700B WOPL Audition List

Web Police said:
I rarely sit in one spot either as life rarely affords me enough time to sit and listen for any length of time. I have my system loud enough so I can hear it wherever I am, but not so loud that It is annoying in the main room. If I miss something good I backup and replay it. Sometimes I will play the same song three times in a row, but I rarely listen to a whole album or even half an album from the same artist in one listening session.
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A fat one takes atleast a full lp to get through so I have plenty of listening time lol...
 
laatsch55 said:
Ron, not really true as it's more of a frequency response thing of the ears as you say, but depending on efficiecy and spl's an amp should give you a good idea what is different about it from another at the same SPL. The one thing a WOPL will do is hilite shortcomings in other parts of your system...
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This is the way I understood it... please explain if this is wrong

If the SPL is really low, humans can't hear the sonic difference between low power/high power amps with SAME ratings (S/N ratio, frequency response etc...) except power output. It would be akin to getting a hearing test and using two different manufactured test tone generators and trying to tell which is which by listening for perceived differences in how the test tone signals differ even though they are the same frequency (coloring???)

The human ear is far from flat in frequency response. We have a greater sensitivity to frequencies between 2KHz–5KHz and this is due to a resonance phenomenon in part of the ear called the auditory canal. This evolutionary boosted presence response gives us a better resolution to hearing speech, not bass

Two Bell lab engineers, Fletcher and Munson, came up with a graph in 1933 that was based upon people’s perception of loudness at that time. These were made by asking people to judge when pure tones of two different frequencies were the same loudness. Although it is not strictly accurate by today’s standards, it has become a cornerstone in the foundation of understanding human hearing, this was later refined in 1956 by Robinson & Dadson

We are basically deaf to bass. We would need to produce huge amounts of energy to actually go deaf from low frequencies. The reason is that our ears are tiny compared to the size of bass sound waves. This is an acoustical mismatch, just like a single small loudspeaker cannot produce any significant levels of bass

To be honest Lee, I could not tell the difference between the POS Sony in the garage and the WOPL at very low listening levels. When you raise SPL, then you will definitely hear the difference

I think it would be an interesting to hear (pardon the pun) others sentiments on the subject
 
Skynyrd77 said:
A fat one takes atleast a full lp to get through so I have plenty of listening time lol...
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I googled fat one and only Oliver Hardy came up. The only thing that goes into my lungs is atmospheric air, and the strongest thing my kidneys need to filter out is iced tea, so I am not locked into any specific listening area, so that means I almost never listen to a full album. My belief is that each song should stand on it's own and not depend on the rest of the album as albums are like tv shit sandwiches where they put one good show inbetween to garbage ones hoping you will watch all three. :iconbiggrin:
 
Web Police said:
I googled fat one and only Oliver Hardy came up. The only thing that goes into my lungs is atmospheric air, and the strongest thing my kidneys need to filter out is iced tea, so I am not locked into any specific listening area, so that means I almost never listen to a full album. My belief is that each song should stand on it's own and not depend on the rest of the album as albums are like tv shit sandwiches where they put one good show inbetween to garbage ones hoping you will watch all three. :iconbiggrin:
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ok goodie 2 shoes lmfao:iconbiggrin::???:
 
Web Police said:
I googled fat one and only Oliver Hardy came up
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Bwahahahahhahahahahahhahahaaaa! Thanks Webby, I needed a good laugh. Have not felt like myself for almost a week now and it's making me an asshole, just ask my wife LOL
 
Northwinds said:
This is the way I understood it... please explain if this is wrong

If the SPL is really low, humans can't hear the sonic difference between low power/high power amps with SAME ratings (S/N ratio, frequency response etc...) except power output. It would be akin to getting a hearing test and using two different manufactured test tone generators and trying to tell which is which by listening for perceived differences in how the test tone signals differ even though they are the same frequency (coloring???)

The human ear is far from flat in frequency response. We have a greater sensitivity to frequencies between 2KHz–5KHz and this is due to a resonance phenomenon in part of the ear called the auditory canal. This evolutionary boosted presence response gives us a better resolution to hearing speech, not bass

Two Bell lab engineers, Fletcher and Munson, came up with a graph in 1933 that was based upon people’s perception of loudness at that time. These were made by asking people to judge when pure tones of two different frequencies were the same loudness. Although it is not strictly accurate by today’s standards, it has become a cornerstone in the foundation of understanding human hearing, this was later refined in 1956 by Robinson & Dadson

We are basically deaf to bass. We would need to produce huge amounts of energy to actually go deaf from low frequencies. The reason is that our ears are tiny compared to the size of bass sound waves. This is an acoustical mismatch, just like a single small loudspeaker cannot produce any significant levels of bass

To be honest Lee, I could not tell the difference between the POS Sony in the garage and the WOPL at very low listening levels. When you raise SPL, then you will definitely hear the difference

I think it would be an interesting to hear (pardon the pun) others sentiments on the subject
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Good point....
 
When I listened to records then I would listen to full albums, but ever sine I got my first tape deck 40 years ago all that changed. I found I could listen to what I liked instead of listening because the needle was lead to the next song. :iconbiggrin:
 
Skynyrd77 said:
i can way tell the diff from jessica and my jvc av junk.at any level. not even a comparison imo..
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You got better ears then me then Jason. Of course, standing in front of a guitar amplifier cranked for 30+ years seriously damaged my hearing so perhaps I am speaking only in relation to what I hear :laughing5:

When the volume comes up to say about conversation level, then I hear the difference. That's when the woofers actually start moving a little
 
JustMike said:
Ok I;ll give it a try. You know what they say about remembering the 60's. Well there is some fog.
So when i started thinking back, it was 1967. The summer of Love.
Ok from the back story. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley. A few miles from Hollywood. My best buddies dad lived in the Hollywood hills in Laurel Canyon which was a walk to Hollywood. We would go there and stay at his dads on weekends.
One night we walked to Hollywood Blvd to check out the action. There it was this big school bus all painted up in wild colors
and cool graphics. People hanging out playing street music and all over the top of the bus. We thought man this is far out .
They had this card table set up with little white pill cups with sugar cubes in them, Kinsey was giving his speech about the
times, the war and it was time to experience a new way of being and shit. We thought what is this stuff? We hadn't
heard much about acid and didn't even relate it to LSD. We had both smoked grass a couple of times so hell, how could
this little sugar cube do much. So down they went. That night we ended up in the little beatnik club called
"the pandoras Box." You went in and sat on the floor about 10 feet from the bands area. Love, the byrds, and The Seeds
played that night. Man I was peaking. Yeah it was good. The best.
I can remember we went back to the canyon and hung out at the old abandoned Houdini mansion triping out until we came
down the next morning. Its wasn't my last trip but one of the best.
P.S.
The song "For what its Worth" by Buffalo Springfield............it was really about the closing of the Pandoras Box.
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hell yeah brother.... now thats a story. the stuff i get these days comes from bill from the dead's buddy!!!!!! there really into mda not mdma its another of owsley concoctions
 
Skynyrd77 said:
It really is a good thing IMO . If used for the right reasons..
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Well that was almost 50 years ago brother . It was good times and i saw many of great bands in the raw beginnings
at the change in music and culture. I hang on the culture, and the music. the drugs I left behind.

Now whats going on with the amp Laz? Sounding better??
 
Northwinds said:
This is the way I understood it... please explain if this is wrong

If the SPL is really low, humans can't hear the sonic difference between low power/high power amps with SAME ratings (S/N ratio, frequency response etc...) except power output. It would be akin to getting a hearing test and using two different manufactured test tone generators and trying to tell which is which by listening for perceived differences in how the test tone signals differ even though they are the same frequency (coloring???)

The human ear is far from flat in frequency response. We have a greater sensitivity to frequencies between 2KHz–5KHz and this is due to a resonance phenomenon in part of the ear called the auditory canal. This evolutionary boosted presence response gives us a better resolution to hearing speech, not bass

Two Bell lab engineers, Fletcher and Munson, came up with a graph in 1933 that was based upon people’s perception of loudness at that time. These were made by asking people to judge when pure tones of two different frequencies were the same loudness. Although it is not strictly accurate by today’s standards, it has become a cornerstone in the foundation of understanding human hearing, this was later refined in 1956 by Robinson & Dadson

We are basically deaf to bass. We would need to produce huge amounts of energy to actually go deaf from low frequencies. The reason is that our ears are tiny compared to the size of bass sound waves. This is an acoustical mismatch, just like a single small loudspeaker cannot produce any significant levels of bass

To be honest Lee, I could not tell the difference between the POS Sony in the garage and the WOPL at very low listening levels. When you raise SPL, then you will definitely hear the difference

I think it would be an interesting to hear (pardon the pun) others sentiments on the subject
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In a nutshell, the basics of what you're saying is true, but I can see so many tangents to the whole philosophy, that can and do, make exceptions to the rule.
Now unfortunately, there are so many things running through my head right now, I'm having difficulty putting pen to paper.
Wot does keep going through my mind right now, is the comparison of a tap coming out of your kitchen, and a tap at the bottom of Hoover Dam. Both taps are capable of filling a bucket, but when you stand back and look at your kitchen tap, it's just a tap. BUT if u were to stand back and look at the Hoover tap, and look up, then it's not just a tap. There is so much awe and might behind that tap, that even your brain looses the plot. A WOPL is Hoover Dam. Even tho' I've never heard one, I know already how I would perceive it. And knowing that, then you hear it different. Your adrenalin starts to pump in anticipation of wot it can do, and that is before it's even doing it.
I hear wot ur saying about not being able hear the difference between your Sony and the WOPL when at equal terms, and in your case, you happen to have a nice amp that pro'ly really does sound similar, with your speakers. U are lucky. It doesn't always work that way.
I'm forever playing mix n' match with my setups, and every time my mood changes, it's back to the drawing board... some days, nothing sounds right.
Anyway.... I forgot wot I was going to say now..... and if ur still looking for a point to wot I just said, if u find it, let me know. :???:
I think I'll go the shop.... that always makes me feel better.
 
bobbysdad said:
I'm having difficulty putting pen to paper
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Exactly my problem when I was try to get my point across. There is so much in my mind to say but it gets lost in the translation to text and a lot of important info gets left out LOL

The Sony and WOPL only sound relatively similiar at VERY low levels, after that, no comparison. I think you have to really wake up your speakers to make a judgement call on how an amp sounds. At VERY low levels, neither amp is working hard and the speakers are barely doing anything. When you drive stuff, that's when something either shines or is just meh. If you only listen to stuff at low levels, there really is no need to own a firebreathing monster unless it's just for the visual wow factor. For those that don't get into the live concert sound, I can understand why a WOPL does not impress someone. The amp never gets a chance to show it's shit :laughing5:

A good analogy... it's like me owning a Marshall stack and only using the headphone jack. Part of the appeal of the Marshall is cranking to a point where the tubes start to break up which gives you that Marshall tone. If I turn the amp on and run it at 1/10th it's potential, it sounds like total shit, might as well get a Marshall Class 5 (5w amp)
 
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Northwinds said:
When you drive stuff, that's when something either shines or is just meh. If you only listen to stuff at low levels, there really is no need to own a firebreathing monster unless it's just for the visual wow factor. For those that don't get into the live concert sound, I can understand why a WOPL does not impress someone. The amp never gets a chance to show it's shit :laughing5:
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exactly wot YOU said ......
 
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