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explain remix...remaster...
i was raised in a cave ... dont get out much..
Remastering is essentially a process to re-equalize the recordings, sometimes messing with the compression levels and even a touch of noise reduction - without disturbing the layout of the multi-track spacial representation of the recording as originally laid down. Remastering is also common when analog is converted to digital.

Remixing is the process of altering the 'mix' of the tracks, and in general terms, rearranging the sound stage (positioning) along with - in some cases - reintroducing track content that might not have been there (removed) and/or was buried in the final mix-down of the original recording. A real good example of what remixing is all about is the more recent Giles Martin (and team...) remixing of the Beatles catalog. Remember all those 4 track earlier Beatle albums that were like vocals on one side, guitars in the middle or other side and the percussion off to one side too? Sure it was stereo but it was spacially separated in a somewhat clumsy way. That was because 4 track recording limited the process. Now go to Youtube and have a listen at what the just released 'remix' of the Beatles 'Revolver' album sounds like now.

That album was originally recorded on a 4-track machine. Martin & team created a new set of individual tracks using some sort of proprietary EMI technology and then reassembled the entire soundstage in most cases.

Remixing is the deal whereby the artists agree to let a new team of engineers 'recompile' the tracks to achieve a more pleasant and/or more modern feel to the mix. But it also involves some remastering as well. All the later Beatle albums that were remixed have much more pronounced presence ... especially the percussion sections.

Steve Wilson did a real nice job remixing the first several Yes albums.
I have differing opinions about the Beatle albums that were remixed.
But I will say that The White Album is now my favorite, where it never ranked high for me before... ever.
In my mind, they brought that album back to life. Helter Skelter peels paint!

And with this 'Animals' release, being my all-time favorite Floyd album ... I'm just not sure yet. It almost feels sacreligious in a strange way.
But it's too early to say... I just got it today.
 
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Remastering is essentially a process to re-equalize the recordings, sometimes messing with the compression levels and even a touch of noise reduction - without disturbing the layout of the multi-track spacial representation of the recording as originally laid down. Remastering is also common when analog is converted to digital.

Remixing is the process of altering the 'mix' of the tracks, and in general terms, rearranging the sound stage (positioning) along with - in some cases - reintroducing track content that might not have been there (removed) and/or was buried in the final mix-down of the original recording. A real good example of what remixing is all about is the more recent Giles Martin (and team...) remixing of the Beatles catalog. Remember all those 4 track earlier Beatle albums that were like vocals on one side, guitars in the middle or other side and the percussion off to one side too? Sure it was stereo but it was spacially separated in a somewhat clumsy way. No go to Youtube and have a listen at what the just released 'remix' of the Beatles 'Revolver' album sounds like now.

That album was recorded on a 4-track machine.

Remixing is the deal whereby the artists agree to let a new team of engineers 'recompile' the tracks to achieve a more pleasant and/or more modern feel to the mix.
Yes! Quite often the final prodict of a remix is outrageously different from the original release.

But sometimes it isn’t worth buying…
 

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Oh ... and I forgot to mention. When they do a serious remix ... it typically involves the creation of a multi-channel release.
I'm not really interested in surround sound treatments myself ...
 

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I'll have to look at The Beatles remixes. The White Album in its original form is likely my favorite Beatles album. Now I'm still pissed about Rubber Soul, the engineering on that one is terrible. Hard panned vocals, goopy euphonics, bad eq, distortion. The raw alternate takes off of Anthology II are much better IMO.
 

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I'll have to look at The Beatles remixes. The White Album in its original form is likely my favorite Beatles album. Now I'm still pissed about Rubber Soul, the engineering on that one is terrible. Hard panned vocals, goopy euphonics, bad eq, distortion. The raw alternate takes off of Anthology II are much better IMO.
When they remix 'Rubber Soul' ... and if they approach it like 'Revolver' ... I think you will be pleased.

Since we've branched out to the Beatle remixes - here's my take on all that have been done so far:

Sgt Peppers? Take it or leave it. If you can EQ to your own taste within your system, I'm not convinced the remix yielded much.a The box set had a lot of cool outtake/demo material tho.

White Album? Everything sounds fuller to me with a real significant 'punch & presence' to the bass & drum playing. Birthday, Helter Skelter, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired really kick ass now. Not that they sucked before ... but the power factor is just more in-your-face. All the less hard rocking tracks sound like a veil lifted too. I personally think this album remix shows the most effort. But these things are highly subjective.

Abbey Road? Take it or leave it. I always thought it was already the best sounding Beatles album due to the state of the art at the time. To me, the original UK pressing is the best classic representation. The remix sort of a has a veil lifted too... where it sounds more like a modern day recording. 'I Want You' and 'Come Together' really peel paint now.

Let It Be? They de-Phil Spector'd it in a lot of ways and I think it's noticably more listenable. But it was never much high on my list anyway.

All Things Must Pass? (Harrison solo) This album sounds amazing. Much like The White Album, it's the closest thing to a complete transformation.
And George's vocals are haunting.

Revolver? Sounds richer & fuller. Taxman peels paint like never before. The elimination of the panning hard left & right stuff is the real win on this one.

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The one thing I will say about all of the remixes so far, in terms of the common denominators, is the benefit of pumped up percussion tracks, the more forward vocals and certain tracks having more perceivable space between the elements... 'air' I think they call it.
 
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For those interested, the recording process has three distinct steps:

Tracking- the actual capture of a performance or individual instruments. Mic to preamp to tape. Maybe a gate or rough EQ but essentially “raw” to tape.

Mixing- taking the tracks, and adjusting them individually to get the sound you want. Placing them on the stage (panning) adding effects, EQ, etc to define the sound and placement.

Mastering (AKA mix down)- is taking the mix and capturing it on two-track tape for delivery to the cutter. Levels are balanced usually, any unusual issues are dealt with to prepare for the cutter.

Insaw remaster for digital, and that is required. Ideally the tracking tapes are re-played to create the digital master. This is done because many limitations of vinyl are not present with digital and you can open it way up. Problem is, they still often compress the shut out of it to make it “loud”.
 

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Ok. Did a full listen on the ES rack with the Logans.
I won't make a final assessement until I burn one and listen to the original CD vs. this remix via headphones, this weekend.

But that said, Richard Wright would be thrilled at the outcome of this remix IMHO. I know I am.
The synths and keyboard parts reveal a lot of details I've never heard before. Especially during 'Dogs' & 'Sheep'.
The original mix engineers did a real disservice to Mr. Wright on the original release. They buried a lot of this artistic style.
Parts of 'Dogs' have more revealing guitar segments too.
I would be remiss to not mention the more natural snare, floor bass enhancements and all around improvement in the percusssion & bass-line 'presence'.

Again, not a final assessment but I think it's safe to say Guthrie didn't eff this up.
It now sounds more on par with the 'Wish You Were Here' level of production.

Stay tuned... ;)
 
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Ok. Did a full listen on the ES rack with the Logans.
I won't make a final assessement until I burn one and listen to the original CD vs. this remix via headphones, this weekend.

But that said, Richard Wright would be thrilled at the outcome of this remix IMHO. I know I am.
The synths and keyboard parts reveal a lot of details I've never heard before. Especially during 'Dogs' & 'Sheep'.
The original mix engineers did a real disservice to Mr. Wright on the original release. They buried a lot of this artistic style.
Parts of 'Dogs' have more revealing guitar segments too.
I would be remiss to not mention the more natural snare, floor bass enhancements and all around improvement in the percusssion & bass-line 'presence'.

Again, not a final assessment but I think it's safe to say Guthrie didn't eff this up.
It now sounds more on par with the 'Wish You Were Here' level of production.

Stay tuned... ;)
Just ordered on vinyl, thanks for explaining the Remaster/Remix, I had no idea.
 

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Ok. Did a full listen on the ES rack with the Logans.
I won't make a final assessement until I burn one and listen to the original CD vs. this remix via headphones, this weekend.

But that said, Richard Wright would be thrilled at the outcome of this remix IMHO. I know I am.
The synths and keyboard parts reveal a lot of details I've never heard before. Especially during 'Dogs' & 'Sheep'.
The original mix engineers did a real disservice to Mr. Wright on the original release. They buried a lot of this artistic style.
Parts of 'Dogs' have more revealing guitar segments too.
I would be remiss to not mention the more natural snare, floor bass enhancements and all around improvement in the percusssion & bass-line 'presence'.

Again, not a final assessment but I think it's safe to say Guthrie didn't eff this up.
It now sounds more on par with the 'Wish You Were Here' level of production.
I totally agree to all mentioned above Tony, strong observation!

I did the comparison between the 1977 & the 2018 mixes already by headphones, and you won't be dissapointed.

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When they remix 'Rubber Soul' ... and if they approach it like 'Revolver' ... I think you will be pleased.

Since we've branched out to the Beatle remixes - here's my take on all that have been done so far:

Sgt Peppers? Take it or leave it. If you can EQ to your own taste within your system, I'm not convinced the remix yielded much.a The box set had a lot of cool outtake/demo material tho.

White Album? Everything sounds fuller to me with a real significant 'punch & presence' to the bass & drum playing. Birthday, Helter Skelter, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired really kick ass now. Not that they sucked before ... but the power factor is just more in-your-face. All the less hard rocking tracks sound like a veil lifted too. I personally think this album remix shows the most effort. But these things are highly subjective.

Abbey Road? Take it or leave it. I always thought it was already the best sounding Beatles album due to the state of the art at the time. To me, the original UK pressing is the best classic representation. The remix sort of a has a veil lifted too... where it sounds more like a modern day recording. 'I Want You' and 'Come Together' really peel paint now.

Let It Be? They de-Phil Spector'd it in a lot of ways and I think it's noticably more listenable. But it was never much high on my list anyway.

All Things Must Pass? (Harrison solo) This album sounds amazing. Much like The White Album, it's the closest thing to a complete transformation.
And George's vocals are haunting.

Revolver? Sounds richer & fuller. Taxman peels paint like never before. The elimination of the panning hard left & right stuff is the real win on this one.

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The one thing I will say about all of the remixes so far, in terms of the common denominators, is the benefit of pumped up percussion tracks, the more forward vocals and certain tracks having more perceivable space between the elements... 'air' I think they call it.
Tony, which Revolver release are you describing here? When you go looking for Revolver, the amount of available choices is quite large. Which is recommended?
 

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Tony, which Revolver release are you describing here? When you go looking for Revolver, the amount of available choices is quite large. Which is recommended?
Hey Joe!

Here is a more focused listing:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Revolver+remix

The full songs you want to sample have 2022 Mix in the titling.
As you'll see, there is a bunch of outtake/demo stuff too.

Taxman 2022 is a good one listen to loud.
Tomorrow Never Knows 2022 as well.
Yellow Submarine 2022 is also better from the remixing...

Check out this base track version of Rain. Blew me away how fast the original was recorded...

 
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