Made a deal on PL700 and PL4000
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Just confirmed time and contact info with the seller. I am FINALY signing off the ship tomorrow so the timing was perfect. I’ll take them to my fathers place and build shipping crates while I visit the folks for two days then I’ll be flying back east to home base.
He said these were in service last a few months ago if I remember right. Said the 700 had caps and service about 2 years ago. Anything in particular I should look for before powering her up? Planning to use a dbt and check DC at speaker posts but otherwise? If that’s good let her loose?
He said these were in service last a few months ago if I remember right. Said the 700 had caps and service about 2 years ago. Anything in particular I should look for before powering her up? Planning to use a dbt and check DC at speaker posts but otherwise? If that’s good let her loose?
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It might "warm" anything other than really good pair of speakers before even breaking a sweat though! She is destined for subwoofer duty driving a pair of Peavey Low max 18" subs while the PL400 takes care of the rest. I might test try it at my fathers place and it wouldn't be the first time his speakers blew while I was driving, (I did repair them though). Is a DCP board available for this? How about an LED kit? I plan to take her top down and have a looksee for the replacement caps and any work done to her also. I hope she doesn't need WOPLing right now as I paid for a working amp, but I'm planning to WOPL something as a learning experience at some time soon. Electronics is becoming more important in my field of work and I've been enjoying learning more about the subject.
Also, what is acceptable/normal DC offset range and both channels should be positive right?
Also, what is acceptable/normal DC offset range and both channels should be positive right?
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The Phase Linear 700 (Edmonds Washington version of the) owners manual states:
INPUTS
"... the Phase Linear 700 is equipped with direct coupled inputs as well as normal coupled inputs. For high fidelity reproduction, the "normal" coupled inputs are to be used. The normal inputs provided protection for the woofer against large subsonic cone excursions generated by drive from the preamp at the moment of turn-on."
"The "direct coupled inputs are to be used whenever the unit is used as a power operational amplifier in industrial applications. Referring to Figure 1, the upper two inputs are normal inputs. The lower two are the direct coupled inputs. The input selector switch must be up when using the upper inputs , and down when using the lower inputs".
Frequency response
0-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, direct coupled inputs
10-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, normal inputs
Turn-0n
Normal inputs: 500 millisecond delay prevents preamplifier subsonic signals from arriving at the moment of turn-on
Direct coupled inputs: Instantaneous
FRONT PANEL CONTROLS
"The level controls adjust the gain of the Phase Linear when using the normal inputs. They are bypassed when using the direct coupled inputs, which allow direct access to the voltage amplifier stages."
ED COMMENT: When using the direct coupled inputs on a 700, bypassing the level controls (volume pots) will also improve the signal-to-noise ratio by approx 2-3dB.
The Phase Linear 700B owner's manual has some additional verbiage at the end of the INPUTS section:
"...For direct coupled operation the input switch should be moved to the right. Correct hook-up of the 700B is also silk-screened on the heat sink. DO NOT SWITCH MODE SELECTOR WHILE THE AMPLIFIER IS IN OPERATION."
NOTE: There is also a difference in Frequency Response.
Frequency response
1-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, direct couple inputs
5-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, normal inputs
The 2/81 revision of the Phase Linear 700/700B service manual states:
"The model 700 or 700B can be operated in either the "normal" or direct coupled input modes. For high fidelity home use the unit should be operated in the NORMAL mode. This provides for AC coupling at the inputs which has a subsonic rolloff of 6dB/octave with a corner frequency of about 15Hz. This can be effective in preventing loudspeaker woofer damage from DC or subsonics passed to the amplifier for a unit "upstream" in the signal path."
"In the DIRECT coupled mode frequencies are amplified down to DC, at which there is a gain of 1. In some sound reinforcement applications it may be desirable to operate the unit in the DIRECT coupled mode."
ED COMMENT: I have seen a number of Phase Linear 700B and 700 series two amplifiers that have been modified over the last few years where the normal/direct coupled switch has been bypassed and left in place. Perhaps it would be better to install a blank piece of aluminum with machine screws to better illustrate to potential owner's that it has been bypassed.
Ed
INPUTS
"... the Phase Linear 700 is equipped with direct coupled inputs as well as normal coupled inputs. For high fidelity reproduction, the "normal" coupled inputs are to be used. The normal inputs provided protection for the woofer against large subsonic cone excursions generated by drive from the preamp at the moment of turn-on."
"The "direct coupled inputs are to be used whenever the unit is used as a power operational amplifier in industrial applications. Referring to Figure 1, the upper two inputs are normal inputs. The lower two are the direct coupled inputs. The input selector switch must be up when using the upper inputs , and down when using the lower inputs".
Frequency response
0-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, direct coupled inputs
10-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, normal inputs
Turn-0n
Normal inputs: 500 millisecond delay prevents preamplifier subsonic signals from arriving at the moment of turn-on
Direct coupled inputs: Instantaneous
FRONT PANEL CONTROLS
"The level controls adjust the gain of the Phase Linear when using the normal inputs. They are bypassed when using the direct coupled inputs, which allow direct access to the voltage amplifier stages."
ED COMMENT: When using the direct coupled inputs on a 700, bypassing the level controls (volume pots) will also improve the signal-to-noise ratio by approx 2-3dB.
The Phase Linear 700B owner's manual has some additional verbiage at the end of the INPUTS section:
"...For direct coupled operation the input switch should be moved to the right. Correct hook-up of the 700B is also silk-screened on the heat sink. DO NOT SWITCH MODE SELECTOR WHILE THE AMPLIFIER IS IN OPERATION."
NOTE: There is also a difference in Frequency Response.
Frequency response
1-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, direct couple inputs
5-.25 mHz @ 1 volt, normal inputs
The 2/81 revision of the Phase Linear 700/700B service manual states:
"The model 700 or 700B can be operated in either the "normal" or direct coupled input modes. For high fidelity home use the unit should be operated in the NORMAL mode. This provides for AC coupling at the inputs which has a subsonic rolloff of 6dB/octave with a corner frequency of about 15Hz. This can be effective in preventing loudspeaker woofer damage from DC or subsonics passed to the amplifier for a unit "upstream" in the signal path."
"In the DIRECT coupled mode frequencies are amplified down to DC, at which there is a gain of 1. In some sound reinforcement applications it may be desirable to operate the unit in the DIRECT coupled mode."
ED COMMENT: I have seen a number of Phase Linear 700B and 700 series two amplifiers that have been modified over the last few years where the normal/direct coupled switch has been bypassed and left in place. Perhaps it would be better to install a blank piece of aluminum with machine screws to better illustrate to potential owner's that it has been bypassed.
Ed
The DC offset spec in the Phase Linear 700 service manual (for serial numbers 0 thru 773-200) stated:
"using a voltmeter, adjust the offset controls so that the meter indicates 0 (zero) volts at the speaker terminals between hot and ground. The controls are readily adjusted simply by using the index finger and thumb, reaching down through the top of the amplifier. Adjust as follows:
A) Set the input mode switch to A.C. coupling.
B) Rotate the level control fully counterclockwise (level down) and adjust output offest for 0 (zero) volts.
C) Rotate level control fully clockwise and adjust input offset for 0 (zero) volts. This completes offset adjustments.
The 6/76 revision of the 700/700B service manual stated:
Step #7 Offset: There should be not more than about +/-75 millivolts of DC voltage at the output terminals. If a unit exhibits excessive offset:
a) 700B units containing PL14 or PL20 boards, replace Q1 and Q2 if offset exceeds +/-75 mv DC
b) 700 units containing PL0171: Switch to normal inputs, rotate volume control fully counterclockwise and zero the output offset by rotating R17. Now turn the volume control fully clockwise and zero the output offset by rotating R7. Repeat this step several times until the output offset remains zeroed at both the full clockwise and counterclockwise positions of the volume control.
The 2/81 revision of the Phase Linear 700/700B service manual stated:
Step 5-6 Offset. With no input connected to the amplifier, measure across the output terminals of each channel for presence of DC offset voltage and verify less than +/-50mV.
Step 6-6 EXCESSIVE DC OFFSET VOLTAGE
Model 700:
a) Remove all inputs to the amplifier. Monitor the offset voltage at the output of the left channel. Monitor the offset voltage at the output of the left channel. With front panel input sensitivity controls closed (fully CCW) adjust DC offset by R17 on the pc board. Then with the front panel input control open (fully CW) adjust R7 on the pc board. It may be necessary to repeat the adjustments since one will slightly affect the other. Repeat the procedure for the right channel. Offset should be less than 50mV at any level position.
b0 If DC offset cannot be zeroed (less than 50mV) using the above procedure replace differential pairs Q4/Q5 or Q2/Q3 and readjust as per the above step a).
ED COMMENT: It has been my experience with the PL0171 pc boards that the DC offset will drift as the amplifier heats and cools. Other than a 5 minute warm-up time before testing the amplifier, there is no further guidance. Subsequent pc boards used by Phase Linear did not drift as badly as the PL0171 did.
"using a voltmeter, adjust the offset controls so that the meter indicates 0 (zero) volts at the speaker terminals between hot and ground. The controls are readily adjusted simply by using the index finger and thumb, reaching down through the top of the amplifier. Adjust as follows:
A) Set the input mode switch to A.C. coupling.
B) Rotate the level control fully counterclockwise (level down) and adjust output offest for 0 (zero) volts.
C) Rotate level control fully clockwise and adjust input offset for 0 (zero) volts. This completes offset adjustments.
The 6/76 revision of the 700/700B service manual stated:
Step #7 Offset: There should be not more than about +/-75 millivolts of DC voltage at the output terminals. If a unit exhibits excessive offset:
a) 700B units containing PL14 or PL20 boards, replace Q1 and Q2 if offset exceeds +/-75 mv DC
b) 700 units containing PL0171: Switch to normal inputs, rotate volume control fully counterclockwise and zero the output offset by rotating R17. Now turn the volume control fully clockwise and zero the output offset by rotating R7. Repeat this step several times until the output offset remains zeroed at both the full clockwise and counterclockwise positions of the volume control.
The 2/81 revision of the Phase Linear 700/700B service manual stated:
Step 5-6 Offset. With no input connected to the amplifier, measure across the output terminals of each channel for presence of DC offset voltage and verify less than +/-50mV.
Step 6-6 EXCESSIVE DC OFFSET VOLTAGE
Model 700:
a) Remove all inputs to the amplifier. Monitor the offset voltage at the output of the left channel. Monitor the offset voltage at the output of the left channel. With front panel input sensitivity controls closed (fully CCW) adjust DC offset by R17 on the pc board. Then with the front panel input control open (fully CW) adjust R7 on the pc board. It may be necessary to repeat the adjustments since one will slightly affect the other. Repeat the procedure for the right channel. Offset should be less than 50mV at any level position.
b0 If DC offset cannot be zeroed (less than 50mV) using the above procedure replace differential pairs Q4/Q5 or Q2/Q3 and readjust as per the above step a).
ED COMMENT: It has been my experience with the PL0171 pc boards that the DC offset will drift as the amplifier heats and cools. Other than a 5 minute warm-up time before testing the amplifier, there is no further guidance. Subsequent pc boards used by Phase Linear did not drift as badly as the PL0171 did.