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Good meter, you want to check for DC from the pre amp at the output of the pre-amp or if you can't find some old patch cords to hook to check at the inputs of the amp with the pre-amp hooked to the amp.

I don't think the meter can detect DC on an AC circuit above a certain AC voltage, check your meter specs...
 
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With my Fluke 179, anything above 250millivolt AC on the output of a WOPL and the meter set on DC it's all over the place...VERY hard to detect DC in an AC stream....that's why DC offset is checked with nothing hooked to the amp.....
 
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With my Fluke 179, anything above 250millivolt AC on the output of a WOPL and the meter set on DC it's all over the place...VERY hard to detect DC in an AC stream....that's why DC offset is checked with nothing hooked to the amp.....
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I agree trying to get a DC reading on an AC circuit is near impossible but I had a request to do it so I went ahead and did it to post the results here

"check at the inputs of the amp with the pre-amp hooked to the amp."
I think pads 1 and 2 is the same as checking at the amp inputs as the wires from the inputs go to pads 1 and 2... no??

" check your meter specs..."
would have to find that online I bought that meter over 15 years ago not a clue what ever happened to the manual
 
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Check at the inputs of the amp......


I believe in your post you said you check at the speaker posts??
 
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Check at the inputs of the amp......


I believe in your post you said you check at the speaker posts??
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I checked both I did output at speaker terminals and the inputs at pads 1 and 2 both left and right

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Left pad 1&2 bouncing between 2.10 & .055 mv DC
Right pad 1&2 bouncing between 2.80 & .600 mv DC​





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My bad, I see that now. See if you can get a reading on the pre amp outputs without it hooked to the amp, pre-amp on, NO inputs selected, if possible, if not select an input that has nothing hooked to it...tone controls off, loudness off, volume down...
 
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My bad, I see that now. See if you can get a reading on the pre amp outputs without it hooked to the amp, pre-amp on, NO inputs selected, if possible, if not select an input that has nothing hooked to it...tone controls off, loudness off, volume down...
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Will do Lee when I get out to the shop tomorrow... your looking for DC right?
 
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Yep, correct.

Did you wind up with a signal generator that can go to 10hz , or close to it?
 
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Tomorrow we will feed each channel a 10hz signal and start at 150 millivolts input and go up until we trip the DCP, WHILE you monitor the output with your meter on AC volts.....
 
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Tomorrow we will feed each channel a 10hz signal and start at 150 millivolts input and go up until we trip the DCP, WHILE you monitor the output with your meter on AC volts.....
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Sounds good to me... you helped me pick that generator out :toothy5:
 
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Have you measured the output on the signal generator??
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No, I got it here and only checked to see if it put a signal out... I have not had a chance to play around with it yet Would I be looking for volts it puts out?
 
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Yeah, I see it has a low/high output switch, was hoping it puts out over a volt in high mode...
 
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These are specs he provided...
[TABLE="class: specsalt"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD="class: specstop, colspan: 2"]Quick Specification [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4, colspan: 2"]Sine wave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency range[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]10Hz - 1MHz (5 decade bands)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency accuracy[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]±3% +2Hz [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output voltage[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]500Hz - 50kHz less than 0.05%
50Hz - 500kHz less than 0.5% [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output flatness [/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]8Vrms 600Ω impedance [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4, colspan: 2"]Square wave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency range[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]10Hz - 10kHz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output voltage [/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"] 10Vpp max[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Rise time [/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"] 0.5 μsec[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Power [/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]120V AC, 50/60Hz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Dimensions[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]7†(H) x 10†(W) x 6†(D)[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
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These are specs he provided...
[TABLE="class: specsalt"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD="class: specstop, colspan: 2"]Quick Specification[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4, colspan: 2"]Sine wave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency range[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]10Hz - 1MHz (5 decade bands)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency accuracy[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]±3% +2Hz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output voltage[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]500Hz - 50kHz less than 0.05%
50Hz - 500kHz less than 0.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output flatness[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]8Vrms 600Ω impedance[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4, colspan: 2"]Square wave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Frequency range[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]10Hz - 10kHz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Output voltage[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"] 10Vpp max[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Rise time[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"] 0.5 μsec[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Power[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]120V AC, 50/60Hz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: specs4"]Dimensions[/TD]
[TD="class: specs5"]7†(H) x 10†(W) x 6†(D)[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
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Looks like plenty of voltage, did you get some cables with it?? And it would still be nice to check output voltage....
 
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laatsch55 said:
Looks like plenty of voltage, did you get some cables with it?? And it would still be nice to check output voltage....
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No cables came with it but looks like banana plug.. I have some banana plug cables out their with alligator clips I will check the voltage output on it

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