nelsress begins his WOPL 400 project

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Thanks Joe. Here's some pics of the control board in place along with the DC protect/relay circuit. All the connections are made (I believe) and I went back over it several times so that, and a couple e-mail correspondence with Don Imlay and a PM to Lee, I'm feeling pretty good about it. That's not to say I didn't confuse something but I believe it's right up to this point. I don't know if you or Lee will be able to see from the pics but hopefully they're good enough to reveal any mistakes I may have made.


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To conform to the preferred grounding scheme, the white ground wire on the input jacks needs to be removed. Pin 5R on the driver board should have a ground wire that connects to the ground bus at the caps. I'm guessing this has already been done as there appears to be solder in the pin.

Lee posted a pic a few months ago showing the proper input jack connections. His work, like always, was exemplary. I poured through a bunch of threads and couldn't find it. The best I could come up with was this one.

http://forums.phxaudiotape.com/show...-Comp-PL-400-Using-White-Oak-Components-!!!!!

 

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Thanks Don, I referred to that thread many times while doing this project. As you said, I did remove the white wire that was mixed in with the blue/black and green/black twisted pairs. I thought the instructions were pretty clear that the bare ground attached to the input bus got extended to the capacitor bus bar, maybe that's the one you're seeing? Then I ran another white wire from your P3-2 to the capacitor bus, a little indirectly but I think it's sound. I accomplished this by running a wire from your P3-2 to the left heat sink ground lug which has a wire running from the cap bus bar already and a lug for easy connection. As for the control board L & R connection points, except for 1L, 2L, 1R, & 2R, they were all taken up by the corresponding wires from the backplane boards, as I understood both the instructions and the photos but please, anyone, correct me if I misunderstood this. I'd rather admit I was wrong 1000 times than blow up my project!! :)
 

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Nelson ....I'm not ignoring you. Been sick in bed f poor 3 days..I'll try and get down to.my big computer in a bit and take a look...
 

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Thanks Joe. Here's some pics of the control board in place along with the DC protect/relay circuit. All the connections are made (I believe) and I went back over it several times so that, and a couple e-mail correspondence with Don Imlay and a PM to Lee, I'm feeling pretty good about it. That's not to say I didn't confuse something but I believe it's right up to this point. I don't know if you or Lee will be able to see from the pics but hopefully they're good enough to reveal any mistakes I may have made.


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Does the Zoebel network need to be removed?
 

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Nelson ....I'm not ignoring you. Been sick in bed f poor 3 days..I'll try and get down to.my big computer in a bit and take a look...
Hey Lee, get well soon, it sucks being that sick, hopefully it's as rare for you as it is for me! I didn't think you were ignoring me, I just thought you were busy plus, when I don't get an answer, I tend to go back and look at the info I have several more times and take a shot at it! If that happens however, I still wait for some input before I apply power to anything new, I'm not nearly as dumb as I look!! :tongue3: I hope you're feeling better very soon my friend.
 

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And therefore the Zoebel networks on Don's board need to go. The two blue resistors tied together and the two small blue caps..

R1, R2, C8 and C9..I'll have some recommendations on you wires here in a bit....still studying..
 

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On Don's board, where does the wire at terminal J3-1 go? And the ground wire at J3-2 needs to be removed totally....and the white wire from the RCA input copper plane that you ran from the Power supply busbar, put in it's place. The previous white wire going accross the middle of the backplanes needs to go...

The RCA inputs are now grounded through the control board....
 

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And therefore the Zoebel networks on Don's board need to go. The two blue resistors tied together and the two small blue caps..

R1, R2, C8 and C9..I'll have some recommendations on you wires here in a bit....still studying..
Thanks Lee, I missed that in the installation instructions for the circuit, which is exactly what Fitz was trying to get me to understand in PM's. Now I can go fire up the soldering iron and remove those two resistors and two caps!

Sounds good, wires are easy to change Lee, thanks for taking the time.
 

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On Don's board, where does the wire at terminal J3-1 go? And the ground wire at J3-2 needs to be removed totally....and the white wire from the RCA input copper plane that you ran from the Power supply busbar, put in it's place. The previous white wire going accross the middle of the backplanes needs to go...

The RCA inputs are now grounded through the control board....
The wire at terminal J3-1 on Don's board runs down along the bottom of the chassis and then up to a lug on the B+ cap screw. I'll remove the white wire at J3-2 which goes across the backplane boards to the left heatsink/cap bus bar ground and take the ground from the RCA input bus to the cap bus and put it in its place. I'm not sure which wire you mean when you say the "previous white wire going across the middle of the backplane boards", unless you meant the one I'm going to remove from the previous sentence. Is that what you meant? Help me understand something though, please-how are the RCA inputs grounded through the control board when there are no grounds between the two? What am I missing?

Thanks buddy, it must seem amazing to you guys who have done that that someone inexperienced can read instructions in English and end up with such different results!!! :) May I'm almost as dumb as I look! LOL It's okay, I'm learning and having fun doing it.
 

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First of all Nelson, that's a rather intimidating project stripping down a PL amp to the bare chassis.. Yes on the white wire youy added going across the backplanes and terminating at the left bacplane heatsink ground point..
 

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There are ground planes running through the driver board and backplanes via 5L, 5R, and the ground points on the backplanes. It should also be noted you can isolate the backplane/driver board ground from chassis by removing the wire from the main bus bar to heatsink ground point...sometimes a very handy feature when troubleshooting..
 

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It should also be noted you can isolate the backplane/driver board ground from chassis by removing the wire from the main bus bar to heatsink ground point...sometimes a very handy feature when troubleshooting..
Exactly what Joe had me do to run the tests after each row of transistors, yes. Thanks for explaining how the grounding works, not critical for me to know but I just like things to make sense to me, a loose end thing I suppose.

You're correct, to me at least, stripping down a PL 400 and basically starting over was a little intimidating, maybe that's why it took me as long as it did to get started, in part anyway. The weather turning into REAL winter, which here in South central PA doesn't come every year, also had something to do with nudging me along I'm sure.

Daunting perhaps buy you, Joe, Doug, Nav and everyone else who drops by, looks it over and provides input has made it a hell of a lot easier than it would have been without that help, believe me! Without the assistance it may have ended up a box of parts on a shelf or at least a project that I would gladly have paid you, or one of the other guys who are willing to do them for others, to finish for me. I'm glad I get to do it this way though for the fun, education and feeling of accomplishment and am looking forward to doing my 700B almost as much as listening to my WOPL 400. We're getting close to that, right? Thanks again my friend, hopefully I'll be able to be helpful or maybe even do a build for someone less adventurous one day. I can see it going relatively quickly once you do a few and understand it all better. This is interesting, challenging and, to top it off, fun!
 

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Ooops!

Except I still need to remove the resistors and caps from the DC protect board. I'll get that either when I get home later or this evening after tending at the brewery.
 
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