Dual-500 king of the Castle

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So the good and bad of the dual -500 which I refer as 500 going forward

some really good things
The front meter board has added features. There is embedded on the single board (seen in photo)
DCP control
-High frequency feedback led indicators (part of the -High frequency safety control of feed back cancellation circuit embedded on the factory control board) more on this one later
-High temp relay control and Led indicator
-High - Low rail voltage control.
-On- off relay switch and controls


These replays are located in the bowls of the unit and are high current capacity relays for (seen attached photos)
-Power on off
-High low rail
-Speaker output (DCP and timed output startup like Don’s board) View attachment 49982
Nice photos! I'm seeing the giant toroids & looking forward to what you are going to do with them...for as I've said elsewhere I've got a couple of D500s that I'm going to resurrect, Phoenix-style. (Disappears to make some fresh popcorn for what's headed my way.)

PS - Along the top of your toroids photo the original artwork caught my eye. Love that! I've got some of that same treasure stashed in deep storage... I *was* wondering how to give the electronics lab I'm just starting to lay out (the one that I've promised myself for the last 1/2 of my career) ...but now I know exactly what I am going to use to improve the Feng Shui of my new workspace.

...because as you & I know, at the end of the day it's all about 'the flow of energy'... :0)

Nice.
 
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I read the entire thread, just amazing. What a journey! Keep the info coming. Thanks.
I got some heaven TO-3 bases for this build. They take a #6-32 screw so useable to Allen cap screws. I put 1/8” long nylon bushings in the bolt holes as extra safety against a screw shifting and causing a ground.

i have started the neg rail layout. I am using some 5 watt Panasonic emitter resistors. Added 1 ohm subber resistors on the base connection to each output.

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SOLD on the Allen cap screws! Really liked the Beauty Shot of all the TO-3 output devices mounted on the heat sink. Most folks won't even see it, others will dismiss as unnecessary extra effort...but for me it demonstrates that this is a 'next level' restoration/modification effort.

It's all in the attention to detail, whether it's a telephoto camera lens, amplifier, or even an internal combustion engine.

If you will allow me to jump hobbies for a second to illustrate my point, here's a cost-constrained engine bay that a good friend of mine asked me to help sort out. It is a Hugger Orange '70 Chevelle, and it had a 383ci stroker that, with the best of intentions, was built exactly wrong for the street. And it was dirty. And the engine bay was full of a distracting, tired/hacked wiring harness that detracted from the viewer's focus.

So that's the back story. To get back to the 6-32 screw thing, one thing I absolutely hate in the car hobby is a nice car, with a decent engine...and the header gaskets are blown. To me, it's one of those 'fingernails on the blackboard' thing...an order of magnitude worse! :0)

The permanent fix? When I put this engine together, I cheated & employed a simple practice that I was taught to use when working on aircraft -- in specific situations where it would be *bad juju* if the stuff I was installing were to come loose in flight. (!)

That's right, safety wire. If you take a close look where the exhaust header is bolted to the cylinder head you can see my handiwork. And since that car was finished ~7 years ago, the headers have never loosened. (You wire it so that in order for one bolt to loosen, it would have to actually tighten the partner it's wired to, and vice-versa.) Therefore, they are both effectively frozen in place...unless a human intervenes, and cuts the safety wire during maintenance down the road.

NOTE: On header gaskets, you don't safety wire them immediately - instead, you thermal cycle > tighten > thermal cycle > tighten...and repeat, until everything quits moving...and *then* you safety wire it. (usually takes 3-5 thermal cycles, about a week once the car is on the road.)

Anyway, as long as the bolts stay tight, the header flange keeps the gasket against the cylinder head, and this ensures that this whole assembly stays pretty close to the temperature of the coolant in the water jacket. (Much cooler than the hot exhaust gasses.) And as long as you keep the header gaskets at/near the temperature of the coolant in the water jacket, they don't burn/leak/get noisy/make me sad.

****

Back to your D500/Allen cap screw tip.

Thank you! You just saved me a boatload of time with my recreating the wheel on this small, but (important to me) step.

Very cool -- and those TO-3 output devices will certainly stay that way...
 

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Damn Glen, should have told me ya needed some sockets....I have some of the special green ones, much better than the black. Dont buy anymore Glen, just tell me how many ya need..
Lee,

*SOLD* on those green sockets! Just as soon as I figure out what I need for (2) D500s (plus a couple extra to recover from those ham-fisted moments I seem to suffer from :0) ...I'll get in contact with you and we'll hammer this out!

Nice.

(edit) Shoot, I just now read the rest of this string, and I'm too late to the party. Anyway, just knowing that there are better quality TO-3 sockets to be had out there (vs. what I've stumbled across so far) ...has educated me to the fact that even though the TO-3 is considered 'obsolete' by those on the cutting edge of electronic fashion...the 'good stuff' is still out there...if you are willing to poke around a bit.

Again, thanks for the illumination on the TO-3 socket choices - I have learned something today!

Cheers -
 
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Dont have that many bud. After Glen I'll only have 18 left but you are welcome to them..
Lee,

You know what? When I retrieved those D500s from deep storage, I also happened across a (nearly-forgotten) sweet-looking PL 400 Series II amp that I purchased 'as-is, for parts only' for short money...so affordable I couldn't help myself -- at the time my purchasing justification was that "didn't I deserve to listen to something decent while working in my shop/lab on the long-duration projects?"

****

Right this moment, I just now figured out which one of the (2) D500s I would subject to the 'busting the rust off of' my component-level chops?
(Thinking of the phrase generally attributed to the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm! :0)

A: Neither! Instead of (re)learning on either of my old-school Cammer 427 equivalents, I'm going to first practice on a little HiPo 289 that was sitting neglected in the corner -- the PL 400 Series II !

So my first restoration candidate has exactly 16 TO-3 devices on the heat sink. Add in a couple of spares (in case I crack/cross-thread/eff-up a couple) that gives me a grand total of...18!

Given all of the above, I'll purchase the rest of your stash, please! ;0)

Now to figure out the PM thing & we'll sort out the details there.

Thanks again! The longest journey begins...with the first purchase! :)

(edit) For the non-motorheads in here, this is the engine that I mentally associate with the PL D500. Senseless beauty in action!
 

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Ok, digging around I found another box of green. Got 170 green and 84 black.
So it looks like there's enough to do all 4 500's and the 400 .
Piles of 10..
YAY - Great News! If you are going to build big, you gotta start with a strong foundation! Please change my PM to you to include enough to fully populate both D500s as well as the 400 II + a couple of spares!

Let's do this - Thanks!
 
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From the way you build a motor bud, lookin forward to what you can do with some electronics...
Thanks - I appreciate your positive feedback!

For what it's worth, back when I originally built that I made a little walk-around video of the car while it's thumping away at idle. If you've ever wondered what a 383ci stroker version of a small block chevy would sound like with the old 350hp/327ci 'L79' cam, check it out --

(edit) Easter egg alert: If you watch the video, I am the guy throwing sparks, while the other gentleman is the owner. (Kevin Cooper)

(Disclaimer) This video was a freshman effort, you can hear that the thumping bass of the exhaust was bottoming out the tiny built-in mic on my camera...and I was trying to edit the video on an underpowered Vista laptop, got frustrated, and just threw it up on YouTube. However, if you want to see the photos detailing the build, just toggle the ' > ' button. (And underneath that video I documented some of the stuff we did & why we did it.)

You see, I was raised (& also mentored by people I respected) that "your work is your signature".

As you can see from the sign we had up in our motorhead den of iniquity, to this day I still subscribe to what I was taught.

****

As for the PL/WOPL work ahead of me? I really hope to make *these* my signature pieces. (!)

So much fun ahead - can't wait!

Cheers --
 

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Same way in the oilfield Davis. You can take one look inside a water plant or main battery and tell if a hack did the work..we redo all water plants we acquire through well purchased in stainless piping and stainless or aluminum bronze valving. Aluminum bronze is almost as corrosion resistant as stainless. A LOT of triplex fuid ends are AB, easy to machine and just plain tough..
 
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Grapplesaw,

I *think* something caught my eye with this diode? Is this diode installed correctly, and this is a silkscreen error?

Or did I somehow see this incorrectly & misinterpret this on my end?

If not, then it looks like the diode is reversed on your board?

Please give it a look...

dave

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Grapplesaw,

I *think* something caught my eye with this diode? Is this diode installed correctly, and this is a silkscreen error?

Or did I somehow saw this incorrectly interpret this on my end?

If not, then it looks like the diode is reversed on your board?

Please give it a look...

dave

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Well done. Sure enough got one of 8 wrong. I always look the boards over from head to toe before powering on but this is a great save.
No problem, sir. Like I always tell people, in 22+ years in the USAF/ANG, I fixed a grand total of ZERO airplanes by myself!

But as a team, I *we* fixed bunches & bunches! (Besides, I've been pouring over *all* your photos, for you are my Lewis & Clark for my own upcoming adventures!

Keep taking those crystal clear shots...and I'll continue to give you my best '2nd set of eyes'. (Which we did on *every* aircraft fix!)

No further words. Press!

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