Oh, and some pics of tht roadside subwoofers. They were in Kicker boxes, so obviously that is what replaced these guys...so that tells me something....but the guy did keep them (until this move to another house) so...........does anybody have any idea about them? They are dual voice coil, vented pole piece, butyl surrounds, poly cones...and that's about all I really know at this point..Would you toss them, or give em a go? I may take them to the mobile audio guru, along with the 12" Lanzar, and let him be the judge...probably the best idea...