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Went shopping. Found these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vandersteen-Aud ... 3f10d71e4f
My little 475.00s feels good to me. LOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vandersteen-Aud ... 3f10d71e4f
My little 475.00s feels good to me. LOL
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Well they have been unpacked. I have been spending more time in the sound room. LOL I did measure for the placement. I need a pitch gage to see what spikes I need till I get the hardwood in then I will go with carriage bolts. So I can adjust and not hurt the floor.
I can say I am pleasantly impressed with them. I almost want to hear the Carys hooked up. I'm getting hiss through the E-mu so I may look for a better one. The name has slipped my mind. LOL
Jerry can you recommend an outboard USB Sound card?
Larry
I can say I am pleasantly impressed with them. I almost want to hear the Carys hooked up. I'm getting hiss through the E-mu so I may look for a better one. The name has slipped my mind. LOL
Jerry can you recommend an outboard USB Sound card?
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These speakers do like tubes. Takes the edge off the highs. i have to say anything I play on the CDP sounds very good. Digital has a shrill that hurts my ears. I was reading about it. I thought if I couldn't hear at that level. Why would it hurt my ears. It is because I have damaged my ears. Thus it hurts them at that freq. It is like hitting a sore spot on your toe. It is sore and hurts big time.
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Had the same problem with my Snell CIV's. I gave tubes a try and got the same benefits. I don't know if I have any ear issues. However, if I listen to any live unamplified music, like vocals, jazz ( not horn ), guitar- my ears don't bother me...
There's something going on in the design of most loudspeakers that opts in on certain measured performance criteria that my ears just don't like. Something to do with performance at the crosspoint? I'm really not sure.
Even some of the best designs with $$$$$ behind them will either do one or two things for me:
1: imagine the most breathtaking image of your back yard on a high res screen, or even a large high resolution photograph. Everything is clear, well placed, multi dimensional, beautiful colors and perfect contrast.
2: you walk out your back door and see what's real.
( the analogy isn't helpful if you have a ton of garbage or a hairy plumber woman neighbor in view throwing rocks around with a
lawnmower, etc )
Lower priced products have the same issues. I find it very difficult to find a speaker that balances my preference in tonal quality with precise imagining characteristics, it's either one way or the other ( and mostly never tonally pleasing) I think that's why a lot of folks dig vintage equipment, classic technology and sources. Many of those products exihibited a tonal quality that has been pushed aside for the pursuit of a measured accuracy criteria, which doesn't often translate to something "musical". Certainly it creates some excitement on the selling floors, just like over-cranking the brightness on big screens.
There's something going on in the design of most loudspeakers that opts in on certain measured performance criteria that my ears just don't like. Something to do with performance at the crosspoint? I'm really not sure.
Even some of the best designs with $$$$$ behind them will either do one or two things for me:
1: imagine the most breathtaking image of your back yard on a high res screen, or even a large high resolution photograph. Everything is clear, well placed, multi dimensional, beautiful colors and perfect contrast.
2: you walk out your back door and see what's real.
( the analogy isn't helpful if you have a ton of garbage or a hairy plumber woman neighbor in view throwing rocks around with a
lawnmower, etc )
Lower priced products have the same issues. I find it very difficult to find a speaker that balances my preference in tonal quality with precise imagining characteristics, it's either one way or the other ( and mostly never tonally pleasing) I think that's why a lot of folks dig vintage equipment, classic technology and sources. Many of those products exihibited a tonal quality that has been pushed aside for the pursuit of a measured accuracy criteria, which doesn't often translate to something "musical". Certainly it creates some excitement on the selling floors, just like over-cranking the brightness on big screens.
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My Epos didn't do it. Even with a metal tweeter. I am running vintage except for the CD player. Yes it hurts on live recordings a lot more than on studio performances. Whistling just makes me cringe. LOL
It only does it listening to the internet stations or music servers. It doesn't even have to be loud either.
The Creek doesn't do it to me either. I do have adjustments may try that today. I don't like using the Pre.s tone control. I really am not a very loving person with them on my speakers. Have to find a quarter to turn them. That is a major stumbling block in this house. I don't use cash very often. LOL
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It only does it listening to the internet stations or music servers. It doesn't even have to be loud either.
The Creek doesn't do it to me either. I do have adjustments may try that today. I don't like using the Pre.s tone control. I really am not a very loving person with them on my speakers. Have to find a quarter to turn them. That is a major stumbling block in this house. I don't use cash very often. LOL
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I do like a speaker that can deliver a punch. I told someone yesterday day there are 2 10 inchers. I was wrong. There is a 8 inch front firing and and a 10 inch rear firing. I have turned the tweeters down. The whistles aren't hurting my ears. Just turned them down. Didn't even have them at 1 half. Can't do loud to long.
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The 10" is called an "active acoustic coupler" that operates between 25-36Hz. I thought it was a passive radiator at first, but it sure isn't.
http://www.vandersteen.com/2ce_signature_ii_manual.pdf
Very interesting
http://www.vandersteen.com/2ce_signature_ii_manual.pdf
Very interesting
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Snow on the way up here. Wife's in NY. I guess I'm going to curl up in front of some tube-warmth. Warmest room in the house, lol.
Are they just using some massive coil to get that woofer to operate in that range? Either that or it's a bit mass loaded to lower resonance and naturally roll of HF. Curious
Are they just using some massive coil to get that woofer to operate in that range? Either that or it's a bit mass loaded to lower resonance and naturally roll of HF. Curious
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Sure enough... you know when half way through the night you are awakened by the rumble down the street of a municipal snow plow. So, we got two inches of snow overnight.
Three weekends ago I had a chance to listen to Vandersteen 2Cis and KEF 105s in a back-to-back comparison at Innovative Audio.
Nando.
Three weekends ago I had a chance to listen to Vandersteen 2Cis and KEF 105s in a back-to-back comparison at Innovative Audio.
Nando.
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Well... the story starts as a fellow was upstairs in the sound room at Innovative Audio with his daughter. He had driven some 4 hours out of town to buy a receiver and a pair of speakers. I happened to be upstairs while he was demoing different pairs of speakers. He had just come from a new big box retailer and had listened to some new Totem speakers. Those listed for $2900. First we tried the Vandersteens, then the KEFs. I wanted him to audition the JBL L200s, as I knew he would love the sound of them. But, after listening to the KEFs, he bought them on the spot. And for $750! It's too bad for Rick (one of the regular customers), as he was negotiating a deal with the owner, Gordon, to swap some gear he had brought in for the KEFs, but they sold before Rick could consummate the deal.
The KEFs were the much better-sounding speaker. Actually, it wasn't even close. But, until you would have had the chance to hear them in that setting, you wouldn't have known.
Nando.
The KEFs were the much better-sounding speaker. Actually, it wasn't even close. But, until you would have had the chance to hear them in that setting, you wouldn't have known.
Nando.