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The advantage of a three-head deck over a two-head deck is the ability of monitoring your recording in real time. Some decks do have a bit of trouble re-recording over material, and, especially, with metal formulated tapes (for decks which are metal-capable). Usually, the original program material can be heard through the re-recording and the over-dub will sound muddled, or blended with the original recording. Some users resort to bulk erasers to remedy that problem.

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Today, I received the TDK test tape from Joe. It's a Friday night, so I can relax and listen to the tape with a few beers without worrying about a 5:30 wake-up the next day. This past week has been a physically tiring one at work, but with such a small crew we're bound to have a little more on our plates than usual.

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I popped off four recordings on the TDK test tape today. I recorded two at the end of Side A (screw side of shell) and two on the tail end of Side B. I used my Pioneer CT-F1000 for Side A's recording and my Pioneer CT-F9191 for Side B. More comments later.

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Pure_Brew said:
Glad you got it. Looking forward to your findings!
Hi Joe,

I'll give the tape another listen tonight, or tomorrow before sending it off to the next member. Are you interested in listening to the recordings I made, specifically, with my Pioneer CT-F9191 before they are erased by the next contributor? Do you use headphones for playback of the tape to check your recordings? I, usually, play the tape while listening through the stereo system speakers. Using headphones can reveal the content of the music in more detail. There are a few flaws in my recordings, too, but they're difficult to pick up during playback through the system speakers.

I should have a few comments tomorrow. What I do know, so far:

- this TDK tape is excellent
- for a $22 Salvation Army purchase, I underestimated how well my Pioneer CT-F9191 could perform. I'm going to have it fully serviced by Brian, the technician at Innovative Audio.

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Leave it recorded, Nando, so the next person might save some from it and then do it again.
 

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I need to grab some supper before adding to this post.

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Looks very nice! I have been busy lately, ( and sick ) which has slowed me down to a halt on messing with the deck/taping. I'm pretty sure that some professional adjustment is in order on my deck, but it sounds really nice on playback.
Further work on the deck is off my priority list at the moment. The next thing I'll likely have done, but not soon, is get the sx1280 tuner fixed as it quit working earlier this year.
 

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Looks very nice! I have been busy lately, ( and sick ) which has slowed me down to a halt on messing with the deck/taping. I'm pretty sure that some professional adjustment is in order on my deck, but it sounds really nice on playback.
Further work on the deck is off my priority list at the moment. The next thing I'll likely have done, but not soon, is get the sx1280 tuner fixed as it quit working earlier this year.
It's crappy being under the weather, Joe. My neighbors both lost 4 days of work this past week because of the flu. As long as I have the wine glass topped up with Malbec, I seem to avoid the flu.

I was waiting until you responded before going any further with any updates. I take it I should forward the TDK Test Tape to the next interested party? Would that be stuwee?

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I have had the chance to replay this TDK Test Tape more than a few times this past week. Firstly, the quality of the tape, from a recording standpoint, is excellent. Dare I say, slightly better than the present BASF-loaded Phoenix Blue. I would be able to tell better by recording the same source material onto the TDK Test Tape and the Phoenix Blue and compare the results. But, that wasn't the scope of this test: only to get a feel for the recording capabilities of the TDK.



For both cassette decks, I engaged the record limiter button to prevent any possible distortion during my recording session. I used my Pioneer CT-F1000 to record two tracks onto Side A, overtop Larry's last five minutes, or so, of music. The songs I chose to record were guitar-inspired to follow along with the beautiful guitar music Larry had recorded. The first was Lindsay Buckingham's "Stars Are Crazy", track 5 off his newest CD "Seeds We Sow." This song is heavy on reverb and echo dubbing so it sounds, at first, a little distorted on a few passages. The next tune was also by Lindsay, and was off Fleetwood Mac's "The Dance." CD. This tape shines with fast-paced and intricate guitar work, and I like that. There's no muddling of sound, at all.

For Side B, I used my Pioneer CT-F9191 and recorded two tracks overtop the last six minutes, or so, of Joe's jazz recording of Ray Brown. This time, I chose to record from LP using my Pioneer PL-630 turntable. The tracks I chose were from an Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album I recently bought. The more I listen to this album the better I like it. And the last song recorded was a rock tune from a Canadian band, Headpins, who began their career in the early 80's. This was recorded to get a feel for how this tape would handle a good bass beat and electric guitar riffs. And it didn't disappoint me.

Overall, I would recommend this tape to join to join the ranks of the Phoenix Audio Tape Company's line-up of blank cassettes. It's a sure winner.






As I said earlier, this was the first time I had recorded with my Pioneer CT-F9191. Before this I had always used it as a playback deck in my downstairs bedroom. The only prep steps I took before recording were to thoroughly clean the tape path and demagnetize the heads. I gave the deck an exterior buff, but that's about it. I was able to record both songs on the first pass. What I did find out was that, although I recorded the source material with sound peaks of over 0dB and the peak indicator would momentarily flash upon recording, the playback of the recording showed much less than that in sound output. Also, and I've read of this from other CT-F9191 owners' experiences, the deck needs the output knob turned almost fully clock-wise for registering above the 0dB scale on the meters.

I concur with Joe's findings, and I preferred his recording on Side A, without Dolby, as the nicer recording. And, yes, Larry's recording is hot, but not abnormally so, and his tubed CD player makes such a good source component it's hard to beat that unit. You did use the Shanling, right?

So, perhaps the reason Joe's recording seemed to have less presence than Larry's had to do more with the recording input level. Which CD player do you use, Joe?

Playback of Joe's recording on Side A:


Playback of Larry's recording on Side A:


Playback of Joe's Dolby B recording on Side B:




All my recordings were done without Dolby NR, and both decks seem to have fully recorded over top the previous recordings without bleed-through:




So, stuwee is next in line for the TDK Test Tape?

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No I used the GF tubed CDP and the SE Yamaha.I got a hiss out of the 1200. So I recorded over it.

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Very nice combination, Larry. Tubed CDPs might be something I would be interested in upgrading to. If no one responds by Monday, would you like the tape sent to you?

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Sure Nando.If no one wants to try it. Send it back.I'll try to get a box to load customs. That is all I'm going to do.Is make a good tape reasonably priced no frills tape.I will put a j-card and a norelco box.Nothing fancy.

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Sure Nando.If no one wants to try it. Send it back.I'll try to get a box to load customs. That is all I'm going to do.Is make a good tape reasonably priced no frills tape.I will put a j-card and a norelco box.Nothing fancy.

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Once production rolls, I'll be committing to buying 10 of these Phoenix Type IIs, Larry. Is your impression this TDK is better than the present Phoenix Blue for recording sq?

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I'll have to listen to it.It was a nice sounding tape.I have to say. I don't think the no frills will go over 2.00. So we will see. Most every thing I have NOS I can get more.

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Hey Nando, great review!!! It sounds like a winner, I wish I could play with it. But alas, I have waaaay too much on my plate down here. I'll just buy some when things settle down a bit.
 

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I'll have to listen to it.It was a nice sounding tape.I have to say. I don't think the no frills will go over 2.00. So we will see. Most every thing I have NOS I can get more.

Larry
At that price these tapes are destined to be hot sellers.

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Hey Nando, great review!!! It sounds like a winner, I wish I could play with it. But alas, I have waaaay too much on my plate down here. I'll just buy some when things settle down a bit.
Thanks stuwee. It's not so much of a technical review than a basic sound-off. But, I do appreciate the chance to have the test tape circulated for testing. Great idea, Larry! I'll pop it into the mail early next week to you, Larry.

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