Sounstage-----What is it??-----What affects it??

[laatsch55]

This can of worms has now been opened.

 

[laatsch55]

Any mixing engineers out there, Ive got some questions.

 

[Elite-ist]

Hi Lee,

Is your question related to how the initial recording is mixed, or how to faithfully reproduce the studio recording in your home system?

Sometimes, the initial studio recording is not mastered well. I think we all have a few copies on CD, vinyl or pre-recorded reel that stand out from the rest in their superb mastering. There are few Alan Parson's records that aren't good soundimg.

Nando.

 

[laatsch55]

Hi Lee,

Is your question related to how the initial recording is mixed, or how to faithfully reproduce the studio recording in your home system?

Sometimes, the initial studio recording is not mastered well. I think we all have a few copies on CD, vinyl or pre-recorded reel that stand out from the rest in their superb mastering. There are few Alan Parson's records that aren't good soundimg.

Nando.

I haven't heard an Alan parsons that wasn't light years ahead of his contemporaries.

When a band is miked up for recording, IN THE SAME ROOM, what we refer(excuse me, I) to as soundstage, is it a product of the standing and reflective waves and phase shift inherent in a recording environment, or is it a mix induced phenomenon done at the board, or is it magically injected at some point by the electronics we don't understand. Could it be Quarks and tachyons setting the reproduction process straight??

 

[laatsch55]

Do subtle adjustments to volume at the mixing board make certain instruments ahead, or behind others, do pannng and other right , left manipulations determine what drums you hear on the left or the right. The sweet spot of your speakers? is that more responsible than anything heretofore??

 

[stuwee]

1st off, your speakers and their placement in the room have alot to do with how you will hear/perceive the soundstage. From side to side, front to back and even top to bottom.

2nd, the amp and pre have ahand in this as well, you'd be suprised sometimes how switching one or another will open up the stage, I'm not sure how designers do this trick. I've heard it often tho.

Lastly, you're correct about the phase in the mixing and miking. I prefer the live in one take recordings in a studio or a big hall. Concrete Blonde has some songs like that. Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here on vinyl has David front and a little to the left, sitting a couple feet off the floor on a stool, Magical. I'll dig up some threads over at Steve Hoffmans site, lots of info about this over there.

 

[laatsch55]

Loggins and Messina "On Stage" stands out as one to me.. that one is a goosebump maker.

 

[Elite-ist]

In today's recordings, and perhaps today meaning the past number of years, the band members aren't even in the same studio sound room or recording at the same time. So, it's all in the mix down from the board. How's that for soundstage?

I need to get Bob Boyer to become a member, here. He is experienced in this field.

Nando.

 

[laatsch55]

Yeah, a sound mix engineers take would be interesting.

 

[stuwee]

In today's recordings, and perhaps today meaning the past number of years, the band members aren't even in the same studio sound room or recording at the same time. So, it's all in the mix down from the board. How's that for soundstage?

I need to get Bob Boyer to become a member, here. He is experienced in this field.

Nando.

Cool, you know Bob! I'm a big fan of his artwork

 

[orange]

This can of worms has now been opened.

I don't know how worms affect a soundstage but as far as reproduction goes they're hermaphroditic so that works relatively well.

 

[speakerman1]

There is one word. Everything.

Larry

 

[laatsch55]

There is one word. Everything.

Larry

Now THAT is sticking your neck out!!

 

[speakerman1]

I'm not going out and buying traps and hanging rugs in certain places and changing my floor from carpet to wood and putting rugs in certain places there.
I do like to get the best sound for my buck. There is a but in this I'm not going crazy to do it.

Larry

PS On another note. I was looking out my window and thinking it sure would be nice to have a room clear to the fence. LMAO

 

[laatsch55]

I'd like a decent sized room myself for these Kornerhorns, i believe they are somewhat stifled in a room 12 X 24.

 

[speakerman1]

I think mine is 12X20. Even with 4 more feet I think I would be a little overwhelmed.

Larry

 

[stuwee]

I'd like a decent sized room myself for these Kornerhorns, i believe they are somewhat stifled in a room 12 X 24.

Did it look something like this?

 

[laatsch55]

LMOAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!!!

 

[stuwee]

LMOAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!!!

I thought so! Those sold on AudioGon awhile back for 9K a snip. The wife hated them, I have to say I agree with her, way too big for that room, even if it goes back 50'

Avantegarde Trio's, very pricey $$$$

 

[Elite-ist]

That is flat out wrong! Wnen I see those bugles it reminds me of... let me see; alpine meadows, edelweiss, and short blonde-haired sheep herders. Or something from a Dr. Seuss storybook.

Nando.