Rock concerts (not) to see again

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It's been a while I was writing on Phoenix board - crazy time with my job...

Anyway I'd like to share my impressions after the recent Queen concert with Adam Lambert (I guess he won the U.S. Edition of Idol), held last Saturday in Cracow, probably the nicest Polish city.

The concert took place in so called ‘Tauron Arena’ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauron_Arena_Kraków), which is the sport / entertainment venue quite difficult for any sound crew. I was excited to see Queen, even without Freddy, for the first time in Poland - in my youth times, unlike for many of you guys living not behind the 'iron curtain', such concerts were simply unique. I saw the Queen with Freddy in Paris though during my studies in 1986, so comparisons were immediate... But some facts fist.

Out of 'real Queen' there were only Brian May and Roger Taylor. Together with them there were playing: Rufus Taylor (son of Roger, plying also drums, who was born a few months before Freddy died - I mention this to underline the power of immortal music of the Queen), Spike Edney (keyboards, working with Queen from 80's) and Neil Fairclough (bass guitar). On vocals mainly Adam Lambert, but Brian and Roger had their good moments too. That evening the song list was as follows:

"One Vision"
"Stone Cold Crazy"
"Another One Bites the Dust"
"Fat Bottomed Girls"
"In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited"
"Seven Seas of Rhye"
"Killer Queen"
"I Want to Break Free"
"Somebody to Love"
"Love of My Life"
"'39"
"A Kind of Magic" bass solo
Drum battle - Roger contra Rufus Taylor
"Under Pressure"
"Save Me"
"Who Wants to Live Forever"
"Last Horizon" Brian's solo
"Tie Your Mother Down"
"Dragon Attack"
"I Want It All"
"Radio Ga Ga"
"Crazy Little Thing Called Love"
"Show Must Go On"
"Bohemian Rhapsody"
and for farewell:
"We Will Rock You"
"We Are the Champions".

To me the best songs performed were "Killer Queen", "Love of my live", "I want it all", "Bohemian rhapsody" and "We will rock you". And how about Adam Lambert’s voice? Well, I think it is not good for a rock band. Sounded often 'too sweet' and gentle to me. Maybe fine for a pop music. When in two songs there was Freddy's voice replayed, one of them being “Bohemian rhapsody”, many people had shivers on their back and tears in their eyes. Totally different emotions. Poor Adam Lambert could not get even close to that kind of voice…

And now the reason to tell you all this: the sound reinforcement system was simply terrible! The P.A. had no headroom at all. Those songs which normally we hear at medium volumes were all reinforced at close to max sound levels, so apart from listening to some kind of huge wave of horrible / painful noise there was completely no difference in dynamics. It was indigestible for most listeners staying just in the center of concert space. The sound crew had almost constantly headphones on their ears so no wonder they didn’t hear the mess - “Take them out next time”, one wishes to say….

All in all, and I’m talking ONLY ABOUT THE SOUND QUALITY since Brian and Roger have been no doubt in a great form – God bless them! – it was my worst rock group live performance ever. Can’t understand that kind of approach where the P.A. solution for difficult venues is simply to hit max volumes at all time and smash the audience… These observations seem to be shared after the concert among other Queen fans too.

Lee once said something like: “I’ve been on concerts where music was played louder than at my place, but never better”. With WOPL it is certainly the fact :shaking2:…, but still pity that so well-known group decided to use probably a medium class P.A. system and apparently a bit too mediocre sound crew…

Have you ever experienced something similar on a live concert?

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Nice to see you back, Przem. Thanks for the feedback on the Queen concert. It's tough to come close to Freddy Mercury as a replacement singer. Of rock groups that have a replacement lead singer, I think Journey's Arnel Pineda does an admirable job. I have been to a concert featuring a Canadian group, April Wine, playing in a small venue - actually, a ballroom. Also a big disappointment the sound wasn't better. Played too loud into distortion, and we had our favourite seats next to stage left. If you look around, most fans don't seem to mind the quality of the sound reproduction, either because they're half-tanked or have an Emerson sound system at home. But for me, it sure takes the full enjoyment out of the experience. Geri and I are headed to Bob Seger on March 7th. I am hoping the system will be dialed in.

Nando.
 
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Should be a good show Nando, from his live recordings , he should know what sounds good...


Przem, I went to Rapid City to hear the Zoo and Cheap trick, the Zoo was fabulous, Cheap Trick had a separate system and after the 2nd song Jani and i were running for the exits. They wer overdriving some very big horns and not very good horns at that. It was like an incision, just F*&^%$ TERRIBLE!!

The latest was Charlie Daniels at our local venue...The Camplex, it just plain sucked....
 

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AC/DC still sounds pretty good...it's a bitch if a band loses it's signature vocals, but if it's a good sub a guy can get used to it, and then sometimes not, I can't imagine "Killer Queen" being anything but a Freddy song...
 

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I always wondered what "Fat Bottom Girls" would sound like if AC/DC did it...
 

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I don't really go to many concerts. Mostly its because they tend to be too loud and sound horrible. I went to see Trans Siberian Orchestra right before Christmas, and while the show was good, the sound distracted from it. I wasn't centered, which did not help but sports venues are quite frankly horrible for sound. The TSO show had the vocals echoing so badly that I couldn't understand any of the lyrics to the songs. I don't know if being center would help or not, but I ended up sticking a finger in one ear to help with the echo. It was also at "11" for too much. I could hear it hitting the peak limiters way too often.

The two best sounding shows I've been to were at smaller venues specifically designed for sound. One was actually a Brooks and Dunn concert at the Mann Music Center outside Philly. Its one of those semi-outdoor things with a covered area but not actually walled in. Sounded just fantastic. The other was a Diamond Rio show at the Wilmington Opera House. Not huge amplification, wasn't grossly loud, but sounded amazingly good. I don't really like high volumes. It makes my ears ring terribly and no music is worth not being able to sleep or do much of anything for 12+ hours afterward. They ring anyway, but loud noises makes it bad enough that I can't just tune it out.
 

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Last concert I went to was CSNY, been a Fan forever yes they have got older and can't hit the High Notes or hold them for long but they sounded great and Neil Young could still wail on the Les Paul,,
 

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I saw Queen around 1985 or so, I lived in Des Moines IA and the show was in Iowa City, a 2 hour drive at 80mph, there were some crazy MoFo's in a white Dodge Signet with all their fav Queen song titles spray painted all over the car that kept racing us, smoke billowing from the windows Hehe! this was an excellent sounding show though. When they played BR, during the break before the famous chorus the flashpots went off and the band was GONE, just a big Teac RtR deck on a bar stool center stage....more flashpots and they're back!!

Brian May had this really cool strap that he'd flip from acoustic to electric guitars back to front.

A couple years later when I lived in Dallas, at a local gay bar Freddie walked in and went right up to a friend of mine Chris and said "you're hot would you like to come back to my plane?" Chris wasn't the brightest and turned him away thinking this bloke was not for real, Freddie left and we all said "Do you know who that was?" , "He said he had a plane at Love Field (very near the bar) and he was with Queen" "No shit sherlock, that was Freddie Mercury dumb ass!!"

Chris died from AIDS 2 years later so it wasn't like a romp with Freddie would have killed him...
 

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I learned the hard way about ear protection at concerts when Queensrhyche came to Boise to support Operation: Mindcrime and my ticket was for the upper deck of the then BSU Pavilion...

This opening act sucked but it was short, they were also just tossing of F this and that to get a rise from the front rows. By the time QR was into their 4th or fifth song though I knew I had to leave an otherwise great performance or I would pay for it aurally and I already had tinnitus that seems to have come from attending HS dances religiously.

After the money I had spent on a ticket, gas, road chow and the effort to get there it wasn't a happy day...

When I spoke to the secretary at my old junior high though was hunch was supported as she told me that several of their students came in the next Monday with hearing complaints. GOOD GRIEF. I could have owned most of their catalog for the money I spent.
 

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I could never understand why R.E.M. had such a impressive sound setup, and I could clearly see it was extensive when looking down at the sound area on the floor, yet Michael Stipe was still in his mumble era (Green tour) and my sister that drove me over (free tickets and she is more of a country fan) dug the concert more than I did. She didn't get that when I explained it to her.
 
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