I finally made back to Phoenix (ACF that is ) . I finished the 4000 ,caps, inputs jacks , soldering , soldering , deoxit you know. I've been using it with the WOA PL400 and a pair McIntosh XL16 (recapped) speakers . Sounds great , I really like the phono . I did play with the 4000's bells and whistles some what but I really like it just as a preamp . More experimenting is needed . Thank you Phoenix ACF for being here .