Nothing like a good bud.

mr_rye89 said:
The crossovers in my 1202s were terrible......well 1202s in stock form are terrible. And it seems all the guys with Model 19s, model 17s, Valencias, etc upgrade the crossovers because the originals arent great. JBL crossovers are usually pretty good far as I can tell.

I went to active crossovers, great sound easy and no inductors, capacitors, resistors, or L pads to deal with, and no Japanese Audiophile prices for dried out capacitors from the 1940s
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With no loss of damping factor...
 
mlucitt said:
That's funny, because when I see a vintage Altec or JBL crossover for $500.00 - I cry. They are that good and I want them.
It is not the parts really, it is the engineering that went into the design.

I use a pair of JBL 3110 800 Hz crossovers between the JBL K120 woofers and the 2426J Compression Driver behind a 2370A Horn. Those crossovers weigh 10 pounds and I have sent 500 Watts of program material through each one and they sound fantastic.
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Hard to beat JBL....
 
mr_rye89 said:
The crossovers in my 1202s were terrible......well 1202s in stock form are terrible. And it seems all the guys with Model 19s, model 17s, Valencias, etc upgrade the crossovers because the originals arent great. JBL crossovers are usually pretty good far as I can tell.

I went to active crossovers, great sound easy and no inductors, capacitors, resistors, or L pads to deal with, and no Japanese Audiophile prices for dried out capacitors from the 1940s
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The 4311's I had I decided to rebuild/restore/upgrade with fancy poly caps and all and I bought the parts by the schematic before I took the old ones out. Do not get me wrong, they came out fantastic and sound to me better than the 4312A's that I did the re foam on the tweeters on BUT when I took the old crossovers out of the 4311's out to do the job I looked them over and they were already very nice caps from the factory. They sounded great before I did them and would not have "restored' the old networks had I known how nice the original caps were. I kept them of course. I have been debating with myself a bit about restoring the 4312A networks. If they have as nice of parts in them as the 4311's did I probably wont fuck around with them. I cant recall for sure what type caps were in the 4311's but I remember they were inside cardboard tubes and had I think like wax or some kind of glue on each end. They were the higher end type I recall that and the type that do not really ever go bad.
 
laatsch55 said:
I made an exception with the K's.
There were some 2nd and 3rd attempts at some of the parts, about an extra 4x8 sheet worth....not bad for a 7"Skilsaw, protractor, and 40" straightedge.....a table saw would have saved a lot of time and frustration, but i was a broke father to two young boys and was barely able to make the deal happen.
Also had the original Speakerlab drivers and crossover. The woof was the worst. The mid was the "55" 1 inch compression driver, not bad but with the metal horn kinda squawky . Tweets were the EVT 350...GOOD TWEETS. Ran em for twenty years like that. Aftrr the boys got kicked out upgraded to an Al Klappenberger crossover. MY GOD WHAT A DIFFRRENCE!! Followed a couple years after with the Crites woofs, a Martinelli Tractix Wood Horn with the 2" BMS 4592 compression drivers and the B & C ME 10 tweets. Bears no resemblance to what i started with, other than the unfinished plywood exterior...
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Shit ain't nothing wrong with that! If i could I would just have to have K's! I have found some LaScala's close by at an affordable price from time to time but never pulled the trigger. Who knows. Maybe some day. I think if I build, when I build I should say the speakers I have been collecting to build my own set of Klipsch clones I may not give one damn about any LaScalas. Two EAW 18's for sub bass, two Klipsch KP-450 15's and two EV 1824M's for mids out of a set EV Sentery III speakers with EV mid horns. Now I gotta get another WOPL 400 built to run my mid/tweets and a set of horns or tweeters and I am all set. I will get the LASH out to power those EWA's! I hope they are ready!
 
mr_rye89 said:
The crossovers in my 1202s were terrible......well 1202s in stock form are terrible. And it seems all the guys with Model 19s, model 17s, Valencias, etc upgrade the crossovers because the originals arent great. JBL crossovers are usually pretty good far as I can tell.

I went to active crossovers, great sound easy and no inductors, capacitors, resistors, or L pads to deal with, and no Japanese Audiophile prices for dried out capacitors from the 1940s
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Thanks to Lee I will be running Ashley electronic crossovers soon!!
 
VSAT88 said:
The 4311's I had I decided to rebuild/restore/upgrade with fancy poly caps and all and I bought the parts by the schematic before I took the old ones out. Do not get me wrong, they came out fantastic and sound to me better than the 4312A's that I did the re foam on the tweeters on BUT when I took the old crossovers out of the 4311's out to do the job I looked them over and they were already very nice caps from the factory. They sounded great before I did them and would not have "restored' the old networks had I known how nice the original caps were. I kept them of course. I have been debating with myself a bit about restoring the 4312A networks. If they have as nice of parts in them as the 4311's did I probably wont fuck around with them. I cant recall for sure what type caps were in the 4311's but I remember they were inside cardboard tubes and had I think like wax or some kind of glue on each end. They were the higher end type I recall that and the type that do not really ever go bad.
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Got the " Blue ESR Meter??
 
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