3300 Series II lost output - main & headphone

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Thought I'd get it over with and post again albeit about a problem with a different piece of gear. What's giving me grief now is a 3300 Series II preamp beautifully reconstructed by Lee for Lyle which was whom I purchased it from.

A loose connection in the newly White Oaked 700B (also beautifully done, performed by Jerry) had me convinced there was a problem with my preamp so I bought another one, coincidently a 3300 II Lyle got back from Lee and it worked great. When the problem that made me suspect my first preamp occurred again, I realized the 700B was to blame. While assessing it I took the preamp out of the system and used the variable out of a CD player.

After that problem was identified and fixed, I started reconnecting the 3300 Series II. In so doing, I neglected to turn off the power amp and when reconnecting it, the centre pin of an interconnect to the power amp touched ground, causing a loud hum for the fraction of a second it was in contact. The speaker was not damaged. I cannot comprehend why that would affect the preamp, but it no longer has any output from either set of main out RCA's or from the headphone jack. I've used a good source plugged into several inputs but it's dead. There is also no residual noise which there once was with the volume control up full.

It's not handy at the moment, but if I recall the block diagram on the preamp's top cover, a
line amp seems to be directly in the signal path from any input. I am completely unfamiliar with op amps but could that be the most likely culprit?
 

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Which 3300 Ser II is giving you problems, the one I did for Lyle, or the other one?
 

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Nevermind, you only have one....OK, you touched the center conductor of an interconnect that was plugged in to the amp, to ground on the pre-amp when the amp was on and it hummed and now the pre does not work??
 

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Pilot lamp is on. Fuse?....I looked but didn't see one. I confess I didn't look very hard because I thought it would be in plain sight on the board somewhere. Are you saying there IS a fuse?
 

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On the back panel, but if the LED is on the fuse is good. Have you excersised all the switches? Have you got some Headphones?
 

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Sorry Gary, you said no output on the heradphones.....was there a static electrical spark when it touched?
 

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Yes, no headphone output and I did not notice a spark.

All switches worked well before as far as I know but I can use some Deoxit and give them a workout. Coincidently I cleaned some DBX switches earlier today. I found that a 1cc syringe gets it into little tiny holes.
 
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The output relay consists of 3 discreet transistors , the 2N5086 and the 2 MPSA 16's. They are tied to ground but I don't see how they would go. They are easy to check if you unplug the unit and wait for the caps to bleed.
 

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Yes, no headphone output and I did not notice a spark.

All switches worked well before as far as I know but I can use some Deoxit and give them a workout. Coincidently I cleaned some DBX switches earlier today. I found that a 1cc syringe gets it into little tiny holes.
I spent a lot of time on those switches. Shouldn't need anything for awhile..
 

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I'll check those transistors tomorrow morning after my first shift. I just got home now after the 2nd one and and have one hour to make and eat something for dinner before I have to get to sleep. And those switches were working perfectly - nice 'n' quiet.
 

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I did that (in circuit) check on those transistors - a group of 3 near to the output RCA jacks. Two of them, as you said, were MPSA16. The PC board is very helpful by providing the part number and identifying the E-B-C legs. Those two transistors occupied locations Q203 and Q103.


The single transistor occupying Q1 is not a 2N5806 but a GES93. I did a brief Google search and saw that GES93 could have been original from the late 70's or early 90's. Coincidently, what I found was a Phase Linear Service Buletin PDF pertaining to their PL14 boards.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dimlay/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/signaltransistors.pdf

The measurments I got were:

GES93 at Q1
B to E - OL
B to C - OL
E to B - 616
C to B - 612
C to E - 841

I'd wager that there should be no voltage C to E. I checked it three times and got the same reading.

MPSA16 at Q203
B to E - 681
B to C - 678
E to B - OL
C to B - OL
C to E - OL

MPSA16 at Q103
B to E - 679
B to C - 676
E to B - OL
C to B - OL
C to E - OL
 

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The only way to tell for sure is to pull the 93. But I'm inclined to believe it's bad. I think I remember checking them in circuit and don't remember that measurement. DO NOT leave the iron on those traces too long they are not robust at all and will lift easily.
 

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I pulled it and that C to E voltage went away - reads OL when out of circuit. Other readings are pretty much the same.
 

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I'll do that that but must leave now to start shift 2 for the day.

Once installed, check the voltages with power on?

Depending on how late I get back (8 or so hours from now) I may not get it done until morning but I'll do my best for tonight. If I get much less than 5 or so hours sleep at night, after a few days, I nod off when I'm not supposed to.
 
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