PC Based Distortion Testing Question

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I’d like to expand my electronics testing ability on the bench, but the cost of even a used distortion or spectrum analyzer is beyond what I can justify at this time. So, I’m looking at PC based options, which look fine for line level (or other low voltage) use, but I want to be able to test performance of power amps, smps, etc. in the audio range. I understand the shortcomings of a PC based approach here- at least I think I do.

This leaves me looking at ways to reduce voltage without introducing distortion in the process. I think I have three options here, but would like some opinions on which is best, or better options.

1) Voltage divider. I have a blank dual gang stepped attenuator, which I could populate with whatever resistors, but I understand that there may be nonlinearity with this arrangement. Can I just use a 1M ohm input impedance when I build it? I’m not sure.

2)Build or buy a buffer. Not sure what the best options are here. I’m not against building if I can be sure it will work well. IOW, I don’t want to design it, since I might screw it up.

3) I noticed that my Hitachi oscilloscope has a “trigger signal out” where I can send the signal being used to trigger the scope (eg channel 1, etc.) to an outboard device. I think this might allow me to use the scope itself as a buffer. Would it be a clean source? I’m not sure about this either.

Any and all thoughts are appreciated including, “Hey dummy, just do this, because it will work great and is dead simple.”

Thanks

Full Disclosure: I'm cross posting this at AK, too.
 
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Google daqarta, excellent PC based audio analyzer program. Updates every year, a one time fee of 100.00
 

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Zach, I have the following books in pdf if you would like a copy--


Bob Metzlers " Audio Measurement Handbook"
Richard Cabot " Fundamentals of Modern Audio Measurement"
And the users manual for an AP ATS-1DD a lot of useful info in all 3..
 

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Or a good used Audio Precision ATS-1DD.
Bob Cordell mentions several "affordable" systems in his book "Designing Audio Power Amplifiers"

I've been watching these on the bay, but $2000 just isn't in the foreseeable future unless I can figure out how to use it to turn a buck.

I don't see that happening soon.

An AP is just not on the horizon I'm afraid.
 

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Zach, I have the following books in pdf if you would like a copy--


Bob Metzlers " Audio Measurement Handbook"
Richard Cabot " Fundamentals of Modern Audio Measurement"
And the users manual for an AP ATS-1DD a lot of useful info in all 3..
I'd like that. I'll PM you.

Thanks
 

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I'm sure Joe will chime in, he's your man there!
A gentleman has given what appears to be a thoughtful and very useful reply to my other thread with a link to a design and PCB for a PC soundcard interface.

I need to investigate in more detail, but it looks like that may be the ticket for what I'm wanting to do, and I can test it as my first test after it's built. Of course there's the "You need a lathe bigger than the lathe you have to build a lathe bigger than you have problem." But I'm mostly interested in seeing where problems are and if changes effect them at the moment.

Well, that and improving my chances with the ladies. :tongue1: (not really)
 

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You guys got me brain working.... I have Daqarta and a few resistors for a voltage divider.. hmmmm... gonna goof on it tonight prolly (it's ok Ron.. using my own 400 first.. heheh)
 

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You guys got me brain working.... I have Daqarta and a few resistors for a voltage divider.. hmmmm... gonna goof on it tonight prolly (it's ok Ron.. using my own 400 first.. heheh)
I'd be very happy to know how this turns out.

I don't think I've got any resistors that are suitable on hand unfortunately, or I'd give that a spin real soon. Gonna have to get some other stuff, too- like a flat panel monitor for the test bench, etc. Need to read some more to decide if I want to spring for ~$200 to build a sound card interface.

I've got a thread going in the DIY section over at AK that got some replies, and links you may find interesting.

Same user name over there, btw
 

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Can you use a scope probe? standard probe is 10:1. 100:1 is also a possibility

I'd be very happy to know how this turns out.

I don't think I've got any resistors that are suitable on hand unfortunately, or I'd give that a spin real soon. Gonna have to get some other stuff, too- like a flat panel monitor for the test bench, etc. Need to read some more to decide if I want to spring for ~$200 to build a sound card interface.

I've got a thread going in the DIY section over at AK that got some replies, and links you may find interesting.

Same user name over there, btw
 

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Can you use a scope probe? standard probe is 10:1. 100:1 is also a possibility
Another interesting idea. Thanks.

Ken Kantor (not sure if he's the one famous in loudspeaker circles) suggested a Tascam us-144, and I realized that I have an m-audio mobile pre, though mine seems flaky- bought it used :angry2:. This got me thinking about the fact that the front panel jack on my creative audigy II zs platinum pro has an attenuation knob- now I'm wondering if it too will take higher voltages similar to the tascam mentioned (about 21v). I'll need to look later...

Now, with your suggestion, added to these revelations, it looks like I might be able to buy just a BNC to 1/4 adapter and I'm all set. I already have a lonely, single scope probe, since one was bad when I got me scope.

Hmmmm, this is coming together. I love/ hate the internet! Eats a lot of my time, but I learn so much, too.

This leads me to another question about scope probes...when you "zero" one for square waves, you're really adjusting the probe's capacitance in relation to the scopes input impedance, right? Never mind I looked it up. The answer is yes. :)

Thanks guys!
 

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Ken Kantor is a very capable engineer , and shoots very straight from the hip. If he says it will work, I don't doubt it, and yes he's rhat Kantor.
 

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Ken Kantor is a very capable engineer , and shoots very straight from the hip. If he says it will work, I don't doubt it, and yes he's rhat Kantor.
KK tells me that the scope probe idea is out due to impedance issues. It seemed a nice, elegant solution.

Oh well.

I'll just build probes.
 
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