Speakers

[laatsch55]

Turn it on, clip the leads together and zero by hitting the turn on button again. Those are sweet!

 

[speakerman1]

Turn it on, clip the leads together and zero by hitting the turn on button again. Those are sweet!

hat are? LOL The blue meter?

Larry

 

[speakerman1]

Speakers the blame game. I was building and designing speakers in the 90s. Speakers get a lot of blame and accolades. Most of the time it isn't the speakers. Every speaker serves a purpose it is the end result of the components that you have picked. Speakers can and sometimes do make a difference. I will use the Vandys for a example. It took a long time for me to get them to sound as I thought they should. I did not like them in the sound room at all. Not enough room to breathe. I blamed the speakers. I didn't buy new ones. I moved them to a much bigger room. They were to much speaker for the room. It wasn't the speakers fault. At times the neighbors can hear me jammin. At 1/2 a knob I can go through out the house and do my thing. So can the neighbors. LOL

If you want thumpin bass. Don't buy a speaker with 6 inch woofers. That isn't their purpose. It just ain't gonna happen. I would like a pair of VOTTs; but why? I do not have the room to let them be used to their full capacity. Not a big fan of West Coast speakers. That is just me. My listening does not go that route. I don't get the heavy modification of them. Why buy them if they have to be modded? Why not build your own. I may be limiting myself. Their are a few speakers I will not buy. Not saying they aren't good. Just saying they aren't for me. I do like British speakers. They seem to be dry in the music approach. They don't add a lot of speaker influence.

Use to be metal tweeters were bright and obnoxious. Since the Epos. I have changed my thinking as well as the Vandys. Before I always liked silk dome. They seemed more fluid and not killing my ears.I'll put it this way. When I designed a speaker it was what I thought sounded good to me. If you agreed with me then you would buy them. If I built a pair for a person. I considered their likes and built from there. If you were a headbanger I wasn't going to put a 1000 dollars worth of drivers into the speakers. If you listened to classical alot. Then I would use drivers that were articulate to my ears.

OK here goes. If you like the sound coming out of the speakers. My advice is to look at the components first. Unless you have what is hooked to the speakers they aren't going to sound the same. In 10 years I have bought 1 pair of speakers the Vandys. Speakers are a pain in the butt to ship, sell and everything else that goes along with selling them. You may not like what you hear after you get them. Then you box them up, ship and the other crap like packing them. Plus you have to listen to the customer complain. Not worth it. Don't buy giant speakers if your house is 1300 sq. feet. Understand the shortcomings of what you are looking at. If you have a 3 to 400 sq. foot room. There are some bookshelf speakers that can rock your world. They aren't going to rattle the walls and windows. If that is what you are looking for get a bigger room. They can tickle your ears though.Here is my Not going to buy list.
AR
Polk
CV
Pioneer
Yamaha
Horns period. Not a fan.
Sansui
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Boston Accoustic
Some of these I use to love. Then to my ears they sold out. Not putting these brands down. I have tried to like them. It just never happened. SPL matters very little to me anymore. If I have an amp to push them. Then why do I care?

 

[stuwee]

thats true as every speaker ever made represents its own set of compromises. i thought it was interesting because he was extensively critical about the shortcomings of boxes and barely addressed the shortcomings of alternative designs.

Scott speaks the truth, God dammit! as a lover of the thin Mylar, sucked between two stators, nothing, and I mean nothing...comes close to that magical midrange, highs and lows be Damned!!!Fast, articulate and more, it's all there!!

Whatever stu I know...Blah...blah...blah, God I miss my 'slabs'!!!!!!

 

[Pure_Brew]

Never had stats but I did have Maggie's and liked those at the time. Larry, I got me a pair of Lynnfields (Boston Acoustics) given to me. $5000 retail back in the 90's. Gave them away, just like I got them. I remember a brief moment hearing some vandersteen's but it was too long ago. I remember liking them. I'm not set against metal domes, but many are not done well. I did try like hell to get my big Snells to sound like I wanted, flipped a lot of gear on them component wise. Different design and designer than these. I may pull them out of the closet again. I think you are right some bookshelf speakers are great. I looooved Sonus Faber and Some Morels I heard. I have a much longer list of things that I would avoid.

 

[orange]

I liked BIC Venturi Formula 2s and my Pioneer CS-A31s work out nicely backed with the Pioneer AV rears on the B outputs of the SX-D7000.

If I want more oomph I have KLH Model Sixes and I rebuilt those CS-K835s with those 5" FB mids and two mid 70s Onkyo tweeters with a Y shaped cover that actually balanced them so nicely I scratched my head in amazement. I like the Altec Corona 10" woofers in the Model Three cabs I brewed as well. For 8" I had so much fun with Model Ones and the 30864...they are the one of the neatest lower powered bookshelf pairs I've ever owned. Advent Babys have no balls, Larry is absolutely correct! The Pioneer minisystem pair I have, S-P1500, are tuned very nicely however and have big ones. Must be why I got them as Mom has another pair I got with the Yamaha AV set I got as a pair for $25 and gave her and Dad for Christmas about three years ago. These were $15 and so were a really nice pair of CS-33A I sold at cost to a friend for his classroom. CS-33 no letter is a swell little 2-way 25 watt speaker and it too is fun.

The PT-2xx horns in the A31s seem to work nicely in their 3-way configuration.

 

[Pure_Brew]

My brother had a set of Onkyo speakers in the early 80's (got used, no idea on how old or #).
Three way 12", sealed mid & ribbon tweeter, mid & tweeter level adjustments. The cabs were nothing special. These were the first separate speakers I ever listened to. Thought they were very cool at the time-earth shaking bass!

The woofers were pro-looking, cast basket, not like the terrible rack/system speakers you see at the dump/Craigslist. The ribbons had a HUGE magnet. Long since blown, I put some peerless tweeter on a little baffle cut-out which worked just fine, level adjusted. This was like 10yrs later.

Anyway they still are up and running, his boy now out of high school has them along with the receiver my brother had too. I think my brother and father are more like the majority of the country that buys audio electronics. They buy something and enjoy it until it breaks, or they just don't want it in the livingroom anymore. My dad's stereo was a 1960 motorola all tube cabinet. 3 channel amp, 2-way sides and a single 15. Fond memories of Christmas music, playing my first LP etc. It's still in service at my brother-in-laws.

 

[speakerman1]

My brother had a set of Onkyo speakers in the early 80's (got used, no idea on how old or #).
Three way 12", sealed mid & ribbon tweeter, mid & tweeter level adjustments. The cabs were nothing special. These were the first separate speakers I ever listened to. Thought they were very cool at the time-earth shaking bass!

The woofers were pro-looking, cast basket, not like the terrible rack/system speakers you see at the dump/Craigslist. The ribbons had a HUGE magnet. Long since blown, I put some peerless tweeter on a little baffle cut-out which worked just fine, level adjusted. This was like 10yrs later.

Anyway they still are up and running, his boy now out of high school has them along with the receiver my brother had too. I think my brother and father are more like the majority of the country that buys audio electronics. They buy something and enjoy it until it breaks, or they just don't want it in the livingroom anymore. My dad's stereo was a 1960 motorola all tube cabinet. 3 channel amp, 2-way sides and a single 15. Fond memories of Christmas music, playing my first LP etc. It's still in service at my brother-in-laws.

My Dad bought my Mom a Magnavox cabinet system. Was the 2nd sound system I tore apart to see why it sounded so good. They came home and tore my butt up for tearing into it. LOL I knew it better put it together with all parts working or I wouldn't sit down for a month. Great incentive to do it right.

 

[Pure_Brew]

My Dad bought my Mom a Magnavox cabinet system. Was the 2nd sound system I tore apart to see why it sounded so good. They came home and tore my butt up for tearing into it. LOL I knew it better put it together with all parts working or I wouldn't sit down for a month. Great incentive to do it right.

Ha ha good story

I fixed up a pair of Allison 1's for a guy a long time ago. They are tall triangular shapes with drivers set on two of the angled baffles, 2 tweeters, 2 dome mids 2 10". One of the cabinet sides had bad "water" damage. I had to cut the cabinet all around one of the 10's and had cut a new piece to put in so I could re-mount the woofer. Replaced a few drivers. When I gave them back, he kindly paid me and and told me the damage was from his dog who kept pissing on them

I miss having a wood shop and tools though..sigh...

 

[speakerman1]

Well I have a table saw and drill press coming and I should be done. Except for a lathe. I'm starting to remember how to work the wood.

 

[Pure_Brew]

mmm I'm a bit jealous.~!

On a different note. I know you have some experience with Morel, at least the tweeters anyway.

I'm curious about their woofers though. The mids all the way to the 10's seem to all have the same 3" voice coil and 4mm xmax. I know they have some different products then what they offered in the 90's. But really, that xmax seems a bit low for a woofer, and with relatively low effeciency- no?
Any thoughts on that?

I have to admit, the 6" MW164 I have, had amazing upper mid/bass in a sealed cab. No low bass to speak of though. I heard the same woofer in the "Duet" which was a small transmission line with the MDT33 tweeter. Sounded wonderful but bottomed out too easy.

(leaving for work)

 

[speakerman1]

Has anyone used the paint they use on pickup beds inside their boxes. Heard it does very well as a sealer and also controls resonance. Don't know Steven a box arrived today. Do you want the HK pre? I'm not going to fix it. It was given to me that way, Let me know.

 

[orange]

Well sure I do...

Lee's shipment is apparently stuck in Salt Lake City while the kids on toboggans refuse to yield the highway...

 

[orange]

Yes, I called FedEx...so much for the website that says Billings. If they were in MT then they'd go to Spokane, WA and then down I-84 through Hermiston. From SLC they should go up 84 from Twin Falls, ID, Boise and into Ontario.

Sometimes I wonder if they smuggle MJ on those things for the seemingly STUPID routes they take, both them and OOPS.

Hey! I found a smilie here I never saw and now have an excuse to mess around and post it!