Phase Linear 400 mkII refreshing

Milos

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So I bought this one for purely sentimental reasons. I could have paid double for something in a perfect state but I opted for something that calls for some love and attention... at the end I'll know what's inside.

It works, sounds a bit flat on lower volumes, and throws two "thumps" after about 3 sec when powered off, only to the right channel. Inside is a spiderweb of hot glue threads and a pair of undistiguishable blue cans of 6.800mF, much smaller than originals. Even some hot glue mess on poles of those capacitors (whyyyy?!). I see hot glue around smaller capacitors on the board as well and like tiny brownish burn marks on the two 6-pin transistors/semi-conductors on the board, could be just burned dust. (pictures coming soon)

But what disturbs me is the layout of transistors and I need advice there from you guys (see the image)
Previous owner(s) probably used what was salvageable from the original PL909's and moved them all to the right, then replacing left two grids with 2SC1116 and BUX48A at the bottom.

I already exchanged some emails with Don from Watts Abundant and protection relay/board is on its way. I'm gonna get a pair of those 15k cans from WO but when I dive into the guts I'm not closing it before these transistors are sorted out. I need some guidance with them and resistors which I should use next to them. Electronics are not my field though I know my way around with soldering... but anything more complex that this, someone else has to do it. It is going to stay quasi for now, until time and budget opens up for the board and backplates.

Thoughts?
 

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It appears the FPL-909's are being driven by FPL-909's, the other channel the 2SC1116' are being driven by the BUX40's?? I've never seen that combination of drivers and outputs.
You should consider MJ21196's as outputs and RCA-410's as drivers....
 

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So I bought this one for purely sentimental reasons. I could have paid double for something in a perfect state but I opted for something that calls for some love and attention... at the end I'll know what's inside.

It works, sounds a bit flat on lower volumes, and throws two "thumps" after about 3 sec when powered off, only to the right channel. Inside is a spiderweb of hot glue threads and a pair of undistiguishable blue cans of 6.800mF, much smaller than originals. Even some hot glue mess on poles of those capacitors (whyyyy?!). I see hot glue around smaller capacitors on the board as well and like tiny brownish burn marks on the two 6-pin transistors/semi-conductors on the board, could be just burned dust. (pictures coming soon)

But what disturbs me is the layout of transistors and I need advice there from you guys (see the image)
Previous owner(s) probably used what was salvageable from the original PL909's and moved them all to the right, then replacing left two grids with 2SC1116 and BUX48A at the bottom.

I already exchanged some emails with Don from Watts Abundant and protection relay/board is on its way. I'm gonna get a pair of those 15k cans from WO but when I dive into the guts I'm not closing it before these transistors are sorted out. I need some guidance with them and resistors which I should use next to them. Electronics are not my field though I know my way around with soldering... but anything more complex that this, someone else has to do it. It is going to stay quasi for now, until time and budget opens up for the board and backplates.

Thoughts?
Milos, those 2SC1116 devices are 'no bueno' in this application. They only have a C-E rating of 120VDC and are being applied in a 160V+ application. You should be obtaining MJ21196 devices to replace the devices in the upper 3 rows.
 

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It appears the FPL-909's are being driven by FPL-909's, the other channel the 2SC1116' are being driven by the BUX40's?? I've never seen that combination of drivers and outputs.
You should consider MJ21196's as outputs and RCA-410's as drivers....
Yup! I've been googling like crazy to find any connection between 2SC1116 and PL400 but nothing. I'm lacking tech backround but it felt wrong so I had to ask.

Milos, those 2SC1116 devices are 'no bueno' in this application.
Advice regarding MJ21196 and Phoenix forum are a common google search result as the most relevant in this application so I figured that out even before joining the forum, I was basically looking for some reassuring that current layout is wrong, so thank you both for confirming this.
OK, so Motorolas, 12 of them should be widely available... what about the RCA drivers? Who's treasuring those?

I also dug out this, which only confirms:
I believe the 2nd and 4th heatsink is the negative DC leg for each channel. In quasi comp systems it is critical that the RCA 410 is used, as opposed to an MJ15024/21196 to prevent oscillations. I learned the hard way that using the same transistor for driver and outputs leads to oscillations. I stare at the schematic and struggle to understand why. I spent hours trying slow down tricks, base stoppers etc and nothing worked.
 
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