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I'm seeing more Dragons missing their serial number plates these days.
I can only put it down to them either being stolen or owners attempting to conceal that they're really early production units, which command significantly lower prices due to the various technical caveats they posess.
My own Dragon is s/n16990 and falls into what I regard as the sweet spot in the entire production run, that of anything between 10,000 and 20,000. There are supposedly anything up to 30-35,000 Dragons produced during its' production although the exact figure remains elusive.
I had 3 Dragons on the bench at one point, one <10k, one 10k-20k and one >20k and following extensive listening and recording sessions they all sounded slightly different with their own particular sound signature. I kept the 16990 as it sounded the best. The other two departed the bench, predominantly because of failure-anxiety as well as under-use.

So, I'm becoming a little suspicious of these Dragons which are missing their riveted-on s/n plates. Those things don't just fall off. They have to be de-riveted, which is not exactly an undelicate task!
I asked the seller of this one why the plate is missing and if he knows the s/n. 'No' to both questions was the response. Suss. Very suss.
It's been very recently revised by Tom van der Hoff here in NL, who is one of two renowned techs and as can be seen by his service sticker on the rear panel. The other tech being Norman van Wijnen, who incidentally has serviced my own 16990.

Would you buy a Dragon without its s/n plate? Provenance goes a long way for me and these days it's sort of akin to buying a car wth no service history or registration plate.

Has Tom's service sticker. Very recent too! I wonder if Tom asked about the plate. Probably not.
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Where's the s/n plate?
Er, the dog ate it. It got stolen, Aliens abducted me. An old friend came in from outta town.
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Too many Dragons = failure anxiety
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I guess I’d take a dragon if it was recalibrated to the compact cassette standard rather than the Nak rising upper frequencies.

I have no use for a deck tat makes tapes I can’t use on another deck.

Plus the cost for a plastic deck… I’d feel much more comfortable with a Studer deck where everything is built for heavy use, ease of service and fits the standard.
 

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IMHO, you (the proverbial anyone...) buy a Dragon as a playback device & a novelty, not a library mastering cornerstone. And this isn't Nak hate; I stand on this principal for any auto-reverse mechanism - no matter the design. Plus, at the current pricing expectations, they are easy to completely ignore all together - broken or not.
 
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Would I appreciate owning a Nakamichi Dragon? Yes, I would. There was only one, I saw locally, I was interested in. It was featured in a shop I frequented, The Turntable Shop. It was being sold on consignment by the original owner and the deck had all the factory packaging, manual, brochure and assorted accessories. Asking price was $2500 CAD. Unfortunately, the shop was shuttered when the store's owner, Nick, suddenly passed away and all the contents from the shop were locked away until the estate could be settled and any customers could get their components back. I was about to make a pitch for buying the deck. I have heard recordings made on a Nakamichi Dragon. Do they stand out? Not compared to other Nakamichi decks - the 1000ZXL being the best I've heard and even a 682ZX is better. But that's inconclusive, as it's alway about all the other factors going into the recording, including the other components in the recording chain and skill in calibrating the tape to the deck - to name only a few contributing factors leading to a good recording.

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Whoa. I was hoping to canvas some opinion/feedback on the missing s/n plate, not initiate a hate-fest for the Dragon! lol :oops:
I realise how divisive they can be however. That applies for anything iconic really. I've only ever had good experiences with mine and its' ability to pull the best performance out of a Sony Metal ES still impresses.

@Elite-ist Nando, your Sony Metal ES mix-tape, the one you alluded to using as a pb performance tape was made on the Dragon ;)
Along with the CR4 it's my main recording deck. The CR3 and CR4 are mainly used as pb decks to save wear&tear on the Dragons' heads and even Dolby C encoded tapes sound absolutely tip top on Naks as well as Yammies and also my Sony portables.
I think the main issue some people have with incongruence/incompatible pb on other decks is due to badly set up or uncalibrated decks. Type IV tapes I make on the Dragon sounded absolutely terrible on my Yamaha KX690 until I had a straightener with it and got it back into spec. Now they sound epic and while the CR4 is currently in the 'fettling-queue' the KX690 has assumed pb duties.
I realise not everyone has the tools, knowledge, time or ability to get their own decks into spec but factor in proper deck setup and there shouldn't be any issues.
The stack of CR's i'm refurbing all sounded like turds from the get go, but now sound congruent and compatible with a bit of fettling. I use the HPR tapes which are just good and very effective for what they're designed for. I've been using a That's VX90 as the music test tape (Style Council 'Long hot summers') A listening tape with very familiar music really shows up any imperfections that need addressing.
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The current bench stack. The K720 is there mainly for nostalgia.
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Anyway...to get back on topic - s/n plate; spurious or not? Possible reasons for its' absence?
 
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Well, I stand corrected because your mix tape on the Sony Metal-ES is stellar. And you didn't choke off on the peak recording input level. The mix tape I was so impressed with was @pioneercollector's recording from vinyl to a Maxell MX 46 without NR using his Nakamichi 1000ZXL. That still stands as the best recording I've heard from a Nakamichi cassette deck. I was also involved in a Nakamichi-only Travelling Tape project years ago.

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And Nakamichi-only TT project J-cards:

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So getting to your point of discussion: I have never bought an expensive cassette deck missing its serial #. I wouldn't be inclined to buy one either. If this is a deck you don't intend to ever sell, then it's a moot point because you gain from most-likely a lower price point and a label certifying it was serviced by a reputable shop.

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Off topic but the photo Nando posted of the consignment Nak Dragon at The Turntable Shop shows my Thorens TD124 in its baltic birch base next to it on the left. It too was left there on consignment but was not present when contents of The Turntable Shop were assessed after the owner's passing.

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A sad story.
Surely there must be some recourse for the owners of the consigned equipment if there is photographic and documentary evidence.
Does the person responsible or elected with power of attorney over the estate not have respsonsibility for its' contents and safeguarding until it's decided how the estate is dealt with?
The owner would have a receipt of some form I would have assumed?
 

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Yes, there was a settlement last year. I lost $750 on the deal but my thinking was that part of a loaf was better than none.
 

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If this is a deck you don't intend to ever sell, then it's a moot point because you gain from most-likely a lower price point and a label certifying it was serviced by a reputable shop.
Exactly that! If you don't be interested of the actual value of the deck, in other words if you don't see it as an investment, then you can't go wrong with this deck.

BUT

A riveted metal plate can't fall off by itself. Someone removed it. The most obvious reason is some kind of fraud is involved. But the obvious isn't always the reality. There would be a very good (legal) reason the label is missing. It's up to anyone to decide to take the risk of funding a fraudulent action unless the seller can provide sufficient explanation for the missing s/n.

Personally, if I was about to buy a Dragon, I wouldn't bought this particular deck. Not only for ethical reasons but because (as said above), such a deck is a piece of novelty with a heavy history behind. So I would like to have the full package. The fullest as possible.
 
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