PL 700 ii Strange Bias and Offset !! ??

Greg

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Greg you should be dropping about 85V across each resistor. The zener voltage is 15V at the downstream end of those resistors.
Yeppers 85 volts is read across each resistor

Ok very good I will check Zeners thank you very much

Now during My testing it has NOT faulted out as it was in beginning at the top of my post so finding the smoking gun is even harder now !! lol
 

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So after letting the PL 700 II sit idle all day I powered up again to test it did glitch and repeat conditions as stated above .0001 VDC Bias volts and held 28 VDC as Offset volts on the speaker out put terminals then after about 1 minute I cycled the power switch and all is fine again !!

I find the idle sit time to represent a CAP issue maybe ?

Noted and confirmed 14.7 VDC and 14.8 Vdc across each of the 15 VDC zener diodes

Im going to guess at replacing the caps on the PL 36 quick and easy Not sure how to catch the issue ?

Other than absolute failure how does one find the issue
 

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So after letting the PL 700 II sit idle all day I powered up again to test it did glitch and repeat conditions as stated above .0001 VDC Bias volts and held 28 VDC as Offset volts on the speaker out put terminals then after about 1 minute I cycled the power switch and all is fine again !!

I find the idle sit time to represent a CAP issue maybe ?

Noted and confirmed 14.7 VDC and 14.8 Vdc across each of the 15 VDC zener diodes

Im going to guess at replacing the caps on the PL 36 quick and easy Not sure how to catch the issue ?

Other than absolute failure how does one find the issue
Probe out what the circuit is doing when it malfunctions. Did one of your 15V regulators fail intermittently? You need to probe shared items when it is in failure mode.
 

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So a quick Update after retesting about 8 times over the last few days since last post I cannot replicate the issue of 28 VDC Offset on both channels and near zero Bias voltages both channels !! So I am going to replace the electrolytic Caps on the PL 36 board and the OP amps with a pair of socketed LF356N s ...
 

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So a quick Update after retesting about 8 times over the last few days since last post I cannot replicate the issue of 28 VDC Offset on both channels and near zero Bias voltages both channels !! So I am going to replace the electrolytic Caps on the PL 36 board and the OP amps with a pair of socketed LF356N s ...
You want to use lf351 ic’s and 7,500 ohm (5 watt minimum) dropping resistors in your final setup. Much lower heat to the board and less power draw
 

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Ok very good I have been looking for the LF351N but I see discontinued ?? is there a supplier of the LF351N ??
Does the TL0971CP work as a drop in replacement ? and or is the replacement of the Dropping resistors recommended regardless ?
 

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The originals where National Semiconductor but nessecary the brand to use. Lots available on ebay. I will be home mid week and could sent ic’s resistors and caps. PM me if interested
 

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this is a copy paste from IC supplier
Description
The LF351N are high speed JFET input single operational amplifiers which are incorporating well matched, high voltage JFET and bipolar transistors in a monolithic integrated circuit. The device needs a low supply current and still maintains a large gain bandwidth product and a quick slew rate. It’s pin compatible with the standard quality LM741 and it uses the same offset voltage adjustment circuit system. This feature of it permits the designers to right away upgrade the overall performance of the prevailing LM741. The LF351N has a low noise and offset voltage drift, but for applications where these needs are critical then instead of using LF351N , the LF356 is employed. Also ,if maximum supply current is important, then LF351N is better choice. It can handle a maximum power supply voltage of ±18V.It has a operating temperature ranging from 0℃ to +70℃ and storage temperature range of -65℃ to +150℃.The input voltage range of this device is ±15V . It is available in 8-DIP package.
 

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The originals where National Semiconductor but nessecary the brand to use. Lots available on ebay. I will be home mid week and could sent ic’s resistors and caps. PM me if interested
Ok very good yes are all new ? thanks again
 

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See the attached service bulletin and think twice about the 356. Don't even consider dropping in one of the newer audio grade opamps. Check R101 (7.5K/2W) on each channel. I've seen several of thes open up = full DC on ouput. Check the ripple frequency and ripple voltage on the DC caps. This should be done with a true RMS meter.
 

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See the attached service bulletin and think twice about the 356. Don't even consider dropping in one of the newer audio grade opamps. Check R101 (7.5K/2W) on each channel. I've seen several of thes open up = full DC on ouput. Check the ripple frequency and ripple voltage on the DC caps. This should be done with a true RMS meter.
Thanks For that information Im now on the same page !! pardon the Phun Thank you
 
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