Phase Linear 700 WOPL (Early Version Model 700)

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Well, the parts arrived today, but just barely intact. Box was crunched and split open along one long side. It all appears to be there though, so it's a testament to Joe's packing that it all stayed in the box. I'm doing the conversion first leaving the O/P stage Quasi Complimentary. Will do some listening tests and then convert the beast to Full Complimentary. I will be using the new chassis and the back plane boards when I go that route. Joe said the old 700 Transformer will fit the new chassis, I assume the front panel holes will also line up with the old style front. If not I have adjusters here.

On another note I read somewhere about some one putting this amp back into production and such. Has anyone here ever considered building this as The Super 700M? Using a toroid power transformer and an air tunnel for cooling? This thing sure produces gobs of power once converted, is way under heat sinked but may be able to produce even more power if built as mono blocks with a slightly larger transformer. I'm thinking 2kva on the toroid for each mono amp, I'm estimating the original transformer taking it's lower efficiency into account at not more than 1.2 to 1.5 KVA. In the early 70's BGW produced the Model 1000 power amp that you could actually arc weld with. Needless to say they nicknamed it The Arc Welders Special. I worked with some of these amplifiers for Sensurround way back and they were extremely powerful. Anyway, I have cloned Krell's and many other power amplifiers and line stages over the years, so the thought of a WOPL Super 700M sort of popped into my mind.

The 700 amp picture is mine as received. The unit actually cleaned up almost like new.

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Ed does it all the time. But for backplanes it takes a new chassis..
 

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The board is assembled... I'll attack the amp starting tomorrow.

The final plan is to just rewire the present chassis for full complimentary after a months worth of listening in Quasi mode... Since the new chassis won't fit the old sinks and since the original 700 is more nostalga to me so I'd prefer to just leave the chassis as it is.

I'll replace the transistor sockets and completely rewire with 12 and 16 gauge stranded silver plated teflon wire I can get from a local supplier. The rail and output wiring in these amps is barely passable IMHO for this kind of power. I will also add a ground bus to the main caps.

One question about the WOAP board. What are R-14 and C-10 positions used for...?

And I am in need of a top cover if anyone out there has a spare they would part with. I can make one of not...

If this sounds as good as everyone says it is then after the Hoidays I'll attack building a pair of monster monoblocks as I mentioned earlier. I happen to have a pair of fairly large air tunnel type heat sinks handy. That would be a good way to start 2016 off!

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One question about the WOAP board. What are R-14 and C-10 positions used for...?

Nothing...used for another configuration. Check your DO NOT POPULATE list and ensure that you have not populated anything on this list.

Use the Quasi-Comp tab on the Bill of Material to check this.
 

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Yep, I did check and that's a good point. The parts bags also specify the parts required for Quasi vs. full Complimentary build as well. I have double checked it all against the parts list and everything seems to be correct. Now to dismantle the amp, move the mounting posts over and drill a couple holes for the bias transistors...

Thanks!

Mark



One question about the WOAP board. What are R-14 and C-10 positions used for...?

Nothing...used for another configuration. Check your DO NOT POPULATE list and ensure that you have not populated anything on this list.

Use the Quasi-Comp tab on the Bill of Material to check this.
 

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I will be watching your thread with great interest. I have a series one I got in 1970. I have been waiting to upgrade it and think to leave it in the original case as well. One thing THD+N had suggested a long time ago to me is if converting to fully comp to add the equal size ferris bead to the missing side at the same distance from the end.
 
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Ed has said the same thing. I'll post a pic of the ferrite bead placement when I get home..
 

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I want to see what you do so please post photos as you go.

My next build will now be my series one due to your build here Mark. I think Dennis is also reading to go with his series one.

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I will be watching your thread with great interest. I have a series one I got in 1970. I have been waiting to upgrade it and think to leave it in the original case as well. One thing THD+N had suggested a long time ago to me is if converting to fully comp to add the equal size ferris bead to the missing side at the same distance from the end.

Got this all put together and have just the drivers and one output pair installed per channel then had to go on a service trip for all of last week. I'd been having some issues with mine putting out DC as I ramp up the variac, however I believe I found the problem causing that today as there was an obvious short between the collector and base of one of the drivers on the chassis. I didn't ramp it up high enough to cause any issues though. Phase Linear seemed to use really large globs of solder at the bottom collector connections, and that glob is so large it was touching the base pin. I'll get back to this amp again in the morning. I also need to basically update the old 700 to what the later 700B actually is in terms of grounding and input and output jacks. I'm also going to add the suppression resistors and caps at the outputs as there are none at all in mine and also probably change the base-emitter resistors to 180 ohms from the 150 ohms they are right now. Those pesky 150 ohm resistors are going to be hard to get to! More tomorrow......


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Got this all put together and have just the drivers and one output pair installed per channel then had to go on a service trip for all of last week. I'd been having some issues with mine putting out DC as I ramp up the variac, however I believe I found the problem causing that today as there was an obvious short between the collector and base of one of the drivers on the chassis. I didn't ramp it up high enough to cause any issues though. Phase Linear seemed to use really large globs of solder at the bottom collector connections, and that glob is so large it was touching the base pin. I'll get back to this amp again in the morning. I also need to basically update the old 700 to what the later 700B actually is in terms of grounding and input and output jacks. I'm also going to add the suppression resistors and caps at the outputs as there are none at all in mine and also probably change the base-emitter resistors to 180 ohms from the 150 ohms they are right now. Those pesky 150 ohm resistors are going to be hard to get to! More tomorrow......


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150 ohms is fine Mark. If they are good, leave them. There is no rhyme or reason for them to have used 180 ohms on the PL700 and 150 on the PL400 other than someone got a great deal on a large stash of 180 ohm resistors.
 

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150 ohms is fine Mark. If they are good, leave them. There is no rhyme or reason for them to have used 180 ohms on the PL700 and 150 on the PL400 other than someone got a great deal on a large stash of 180 ohm resistors.
We have a parts place here in Salt Lake Silly that has 2.5 million 1% resistors and they are dirt cheap. Like a nickel a 1/2 watt resistor. They also have lots of capacitors and other stuff. Most is surplus, some is new...

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The 6:00 News...

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First image is the amp fired up on my bench running at full 106 volt rails off the variac.

Second is where I found a short between the positive rail and the base of Q-11. I had to bend the collector tab over so it would clear the base pin. It's amazing this amp never had any major issues in the past because there must have been just enough clearance there to slip in a piece of paper.
 
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View attachment 22696 View attachment 22697

First image is the amp fired up on my bench running at full 106 volt rails off the variac.

Second is where I found a short between the positive rail and the base of Q-11. I had to bend the collector tab over so it would clear the base pin. It's amazing this amp never had any major issues in the past because there must have been just enough clearance there to slip in a piece of paper.
That zoebel does not look original to the amp...
 
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