Ortofon OM10 from Northwinds

[MarkWComer]

Thanks, Ron! The cart is great!

 

[Northwinds]

Thanks Mark, glad you had a use for it. I still have another here is someone needs it

 

[derek92994]

That was my resident cart on my Thorens TD 160 Super/SME 3009 SE2 Improved for quite some time. Did a great job, struggled on some inner grooves but overall a great cart for the price!

 

[Northwinds]

Why did it struggle on inner grooves Derek. When I set it up with a protractor, I had no issues with it. In fact, never had an issue with any Ortofon cart after setup

 

[BubbaH]

Why did it struggle on inner grooves Derek. When I set it up with a protractor, I had no issues with it. In fact, never had an issue with any Ortofon cart after setup

Indeed Ron, I have never had a problem with any of my Ortofon's. That said, I have an OM20 and its my least favorite cart of all.

 

[derek92994]

Why did it struggle on inner grooves Derek. When I set it up with a protractor, I had no issues with it. In fact, never had an issue with any Ortofon cart after setup

I aligned mine correctly too, but some records were worse than others. Nothing terribly bad but I'm very picky with tracking quality. When I got the AT440MLa cartridge, it was like night and day (the inner groove tracking), as it uses a microline stylus vs an elliptical type on the OM10.

 

[derek92994]

I have a certain Billy Joel Track which is very difficult to track properly due to sibilance in the lyrics, compare these two:

OM10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab3W6ecRIUA

AT440MLa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BRoK8IyIQ

This demonstrates the issues I was having with the OM10 not being able to track inner grooves as well. These recordings are an extreme example of that.

 

[BubbaH]

Sssssome albums just have more sibilance too. Check out the Seger album with Sssssun Sssspot baby on it....

 

[derek92994]

Sssssome albums just have more sibilance too. Check out the Seger album with Sssssun Sssspot baby on it....

Yes but an improvement in stylus/cartridge can reduce that by quite a bit.

 

[BubbaH]

I have an Astatic Shibata, 2M Blue, 2M Red, Pickering NP/AC, Shure M44-7, OM20, and a couple others....Some albums cant be corrected for.

 

[derek92994]

I have an Astatic Shibata, 2M Blue, 2M Red, Pickering NP/AC, Shure M44-7, OM20, and a couple others....Some albums cant be corrected for.

No doubt about that, I see where you are coming from.

 

[derek92994]

If you listen to those two videos I posted, there is a huge difference. Yes sibilance is still there even on the 440 but its significantly improved and much more tolerable.

 

[BubbaH]

SME has blocked the content in my country.

 

[derek92994]

SME has blocked the content in my country.

Typical of them

 

[Northwinds]

The hardest album I own to track correctly is Y&T's Mean Streak. You get a lot of the sssss but I attributed it to the hot mastering initially. My Shure V15 type IV w/ Jico SAS plays it the best. I have Ortofon MM100 and MC100 that do it well also but they are now stored for another TT for the future. Maybe a Music Hall I have my eye on. Never tried the OM10 with that album though

 

[orange]

Derek, I think the record is actually mixed that way with REVERB.

Here is the 12" remix (Jellybean Benitez?!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042vxTvLoE8

I heard the two clips without any problems, Sony is all screwed up anyway/

 

[Northwinds]

I just pulled out my Y&T cd and the tracks are like that on the disc so it is the mastering. Deb bought me the CD years ago and I never opened it. Now I see my initial suspicions are confirmed

 

[Elite-ist]

I have an Astatic Shibata, 2M Blue, 2M Red, Pickering NP/AC, Shure M44-7, OM20, and a couple others....Some albums cant be corrected for.

I agree. That song made it onto one of my mix tapes from my original pressing of that album. I had to tame the sibilance with some deft eq control before committing it to tape.

Nando.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Anybody with tracking problems, especially inner groove problems needs to try a good linear-tracker. [Takes off armor and dons asbestos "Hot Papa" suit.]

 

[Elite-ist]

Laz: You just waded into the linear-tracking vs conventional turntable topic. Which Sony do you have?

Nando.