Last night when I wrote the question I was just starting on Kevin's Khorn thread, I started at the end ..... LOL little did I know when I started he did the horns in the beginning so I ended up going thru 60 pages backwards to get to that part, oh well it was interesting even backwards .... and hey Kevin where did you guys get the veneer, was it locale or on line?? There is NOTHING available here local aside from 3/4 edge banding. These speakers by their designation are BR birch raw, they have obviously been sanded stained and cleared, but my intent is to do them in red oak veneer to match the Belles, I like lighter woods anyway, I think they show off the grain better in my opinion.