Replacement power amp (not PL) meters needed

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I found today for $30 an "as is" Toshiba SC335 power amp. It amplifies and the meter lamps work but the meters do not. Took them out of the amp and there is no continuity so presumably they're unfixable. I'd like to look for new replacements but because they're "power meters" not VU meters I'm not sure what to look for.

2 or 3 years ago, I acquired a nice Realistic deck with a dead VU meter and got 2 (so they'd match) new ones from Element 14 which were made by Anders, UK. Since one of the original meters worked, I was able to measure resistance across the coil which pointed me somewhat where I needed to go. The new ones were pretty much the same resistance and very close to the right width & height - just a tiny bit larger than the opening but since the face was plastic, I was able to enlarge the holes with a file.

The meters in this amp say "power watts/8 ohm" and the main scale is graduated from 0 to 100. There is a secondary scale beneath it which is .01 to 5. Presumably this is a dB scale? Actually, belay that as the amp has a muting switch and a meter range switch. In any case, there's nothing for me to measure so I have no idea what kind of meter I should be looking for.

The Element 14 site has "power meters" of the same style and with different DC voltage ranges. The amp is rated at 40 wpc and the online Ohm's Law calculator says that is 17.88 volts. If I use 100 watts as per the max scale of the meter, it's 28.28 volts.

Would it seem reasonable then for me to look for a power meter of the correct physical size with a power range of from 0 to 30 or even 35 volts DC?

Or am I barking up completely the wrong tree here?

I noticed that the scales on the meters I've seen so far say DC Amperes. If this is they type of power meter that I need and can find some, I was entertaining the idea of doing a scale swap.

Toshiba SC335 meter.jpg Toshiba SC335 meter.jpg

Excuse the duplicate image, only wanted to post one.
 
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After looking at the internals of these meters, they look a lot like VU meters which they probably are except with a dial scale that says Watts/8 Ohms. Both have been taken apart before at least once by someone as there are remnants of masking tape holding the lenses on. The fuse lamps were not original but adapted to these meters with a less than perfect solder job. The needle of one meter swings freely and pins when connected to an AAA battery. Needle movement of the other meter is hampered by I don't know what (compressed air failed to dislodge any debris) and does not move or even twitch using the battery.

Something I do not understand is why my DMM reads OL on both meters even the one that moves. Since that one is clearly able to conduct electricity, why is there no measurable resistance?
 

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Don't know about the meters but that amp is a little MONSTER. I have been looking for one (or it's bigger brother 665) for way over 20 years now. Mine was stolen when I was away in NYC for Grateful Dead show at MSG for 3 nights

The meters reflect the -20dB switch also, they are two settings
 

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Don't know about the meters but that amp is a little MONSTER. I have been looking for one (or it's bigger brother 665) for way over 20 years now. Mine was stolen when I was away in NYC for Grateful Dead show at MSG for 3 nights

The meters reflect the -20dB switch also, they are two settings

Since my one meter appears to be toast, the SQ10 in this data sheet would be nearly a perfect fit physically but I've no idea if the electrical specs are compatible.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/45037.pdf

FWIW, I was keeping lookout for one these power amps as well about two years ago but could not find one. The newer version with LED's yes but not the older style. Back then I had a sort of use for one but the need is now gone. Despite that, when I spotted one on a shelf in a thrift store, I figured I should get it just because I may not see one again at least not in my price range.

I checked e-bay for meters this morning and saw this SC335:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOSHIBA-SC-...045922?hash=item56849ca562:g:F4UAAOSwgApXAjH0

Both it's meters look frozen. The winning bid whatever it might be plus $55 shipping all in USD would make it cost prohibitive (nearly zilch for disposable income and all) because I'm in Canada. And, it might well need new meters to boot.
 
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