Redoing the crossovers in the Polks

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So the other night I found some audio test recordings. One of which was a frequency sweep of sorts. I played it, and man... even though I can SEE the signals between right and left were the same as the frequency went up, there were several steps in the sweep to where the tone would actually shift from center. I'm suspecting the crossover needs some work, as I have already replaced the tweeters with new ones.

So I am looking here... and basically per crossover we have 3 caps. A 12uF, 20uF, and finally a 40uF. The 12 is used as part of a high pass to the tweeter, the 20 part of a low pass to the normal/stereo mid/woofer, and finally the 40 is used as part of a low pass to the "dimensional" mid/woofer. (remember that these are SDA's, which have a 3rd cable that goes between the two speakers and through the "magic" of the xover creates the "SDA effect" which cancels the crosstalk between L and R).

From reading up on the Polk forums, the recommended capacitors are these "Solen FastCaps" type. I found the 12's and the 20's at PartsXpress, but for the life of me I can NOT find the 40's anywhere... even at Solen's main site. Seems Solen discontinued those.

Now.. I can't find the 40uF's, but I CAN find 39uF Solens. So I am wondering... how much of a difference will 1 single microfarad make? I would imagine it would shift the crossover point to the dimensional mid/woofer, but is it really of any significance? But also.. in looking at and reading up on crossovers, LCR circuits, and whatnot, It seems that there is a direct correlation between the value of the capacitor and the value of the associated inductor or coil. The coil in the dimensional mid/woofer is 1.25mH, BUT... since it IS the SDA driver, there's another coil somewhere in the circuit that is rated at 16mH. Take a look at the attached skeezer and you'll see what I mean. The "IC" plug is on the left side, and would be connected to the other speaker - crossed over or straight, I do not know.

Soo.. would just 1uF difference really be a bad thing? What do you guys think?

Here's a link to the PDF..

http://www.phxaudiotape.com/images/sda2b.pdf
 

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Such minute differences make no real changes, especially if they are among few changes.

Such substitutions are common.
 

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Solens, musicaps. They are all polyprops. Email me with your cost and I'll see what I can get them for. You would have to find the formula for the xover point and see what difference it makes. It may be minute. Everyone likes Solens. I have used the Daytons before. I would suggest using all the same.

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I'm thinking from antique radio and vintage stereo viewpoints, If it's much more critical for crossovers I'd surely love to know.
 

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Ahh.. Daytons!

Yep, got those in all the correct values. Placing the order now.

Orange - in a 2nd order low-pass crossover, the capacitor in parallel assists in the filtering, in concert with the inductor in series. As the inductor blocks more as the frequency increases, so does the capacitor "shunt" in the same frequency range. Both values are chosen to match the same slope and crossover frequency that is needed. I think that deviating from either would affect the total bandwidth that will pass through to the driver, or definitely affect the overall impedance curve.

How much difference will one uF make? Got me... I don't want to get out my slide rule to figure it out.. heheh. But hey.. looks like I'm going to be able to get the exact values, so it's all good.

(if me ole electronics knowledge is correct, that is... it's been awhile.. )
 

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I think AA makes replacement crossovers. maybe Larry can get a few? :joker: Although the IS2 connectors make it a bitch to work on. :cyclops:
 

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jbeckva said:
Ahh.. Daytons!

Yep, got those in all the correct values. Placing the order now.

Orange - in a 2nd order low-pass crossover, the capacitor in parallel assists in the filtering, in concert with the inductor in series. As the inductor blocks more as the frequency increases, so does the capacitor "shunt" in the same frequency range. Both values are chosen to match the same slope and crossover frequency that is needed. I think that deviating from either would affect the total bandwidth that will pass through to the driver, or definitely affect the overall impedance curve.

How much difference will one uF make? Got me... I don't want to get out my slide rule to figure it out.. heheh. But hey.. looks like I'm going to be able to get the exact values, so it's all good.

(if me ole electronics knowledge is correct, that is... it's been awhile.. )

Don't order them. Man I get them pretty cheap and I can drop ship them to you. Just tell me what you need. I have a wholesale account with them. It may affect your overlap on the freqs. It would be bad if you had a gap between the xover points. I can't remember all that stuff. I use to do it by formulas. Now they have programs that figure everything for you.

Larry
 
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