PS Audio 200c

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Here's an older picture of my amp.
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I've had this for a couple years now and I rarely use it now. I removed the transformer (approximately 30lbs) and sent it in to be vacuum dipped. They do exhibit some mechanical hum but I found after all that, the sound was coming from the big relay. I built a DC supply for the relay which got rid of the relay hum entirely.

However, the DC supply is connected directly to the AC, without a transformer. This is a potential death trap for the unsuspecting, so I'll likely remove it if I ever sell this amp.
[attachment=0:1nv4x8vq]DC supply 200c.jpg[/attachment:1nv4x8vq]

It's only bolted in so there wont be any soldering involved, no problem.

This amp is a real beast. 200wpc @ 8ohm/400@4 & 1000@ 1.5. Bandwith DC-140khz

It's also an amp that is not for the faint of heart. It's direct coupled design can be a real danger to speakers as it will multiply any DC leakage by a factor of 30. To get around this, it is advised to connect the preamp without the speakers, then turn it on. This is what the 4 indicator lights will show you- they will light at the presence of DC. If there is an issue, then there is a pair of capacitor coupled inputs just in case. (or get your preamp checked). If you yank the preamp cables while everything is on (not that you ever should!) you will blow your speakers.

Also, when you first turn this on, the big open relay will flash blue from the electrical surge, which is normal. But it is also recommended, from the manufacturer, to leave this on all the time, use a 20a dedicated line, and connect it directly to the wall (probably not a lot of good power products back in '85). I do notice that if I use this amp, it's best to turn it on first, only because it reeks havoc on other gear at turn on. The current draw causes not just typical light dim, it brown-outs the other equipment.

There is very limited protection on this, the concept being purer signal paths. There are a couple fuses and one heat sensor that would disconnect the relay.

Also, the caps burp when you do shut it down, which scares the crap out of me. But the worst thing about these amps, is that replacement boards are no longer available, and there tends to be hot spots on these boards from a single device that likely should have had it's own daugter board.

Sound? Well it's likely the most focused and powerful amp I've owned. Not forgiving in the slightest, which is why I usually don't use it. Here's a review:
http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweram ... index.html

At 70lbs, I get tired of moving this thing around, not sure what I'm going to do with it, but I wouldn't want to sell it to someone who doesn't fully understand it. Sounds great, but it's not up to current engineering and safety standards imho.
 

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Joe: Thanks for the close-up look at your PS Audio 200C. This is an amplifier from the mid 80's? I read the article on it. On paper, I can't see how an old Pioneer SX-1280 would compare with such a beast, with the exceptions you wouldn't have to worry about which order to turn on your equipment, or a possible blown speaker from the DC voltage multiplication factor.

Nando.
 

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It's a double edge sword so to speak. Even if I ignore the inconveniences, the revealing nature just isn't good listening when other components and speakers aren't up to par, or shown in a light that isn't complimentary.

It's like meeting someone in a club vs examining them under the bright morning light. Sure, you get to see the truth and the reality in the morning but that certainly doesn't add to the enjoyment if you catch my drift.

Edit: (pondering the above I decided to re-visit)

However.... I haven't tried vinyl as a source since I got the new (old) TT. The Nikko pre I have is an old back up that served me well. But the Denon DAP-2500 has proven superior to it, and far better then the Pioneer preamp section, which is the main weakness of that receiver imho.

So I just gave this a whirl, and after a few hours, I'm beginning rethink this a bit.

For example, going back to Miles' Kind of Blue, the Nikko could not really handle high frequency transients, possibly old caps, and sounds harsh. Miles trumpeting kinda hurts. The Pioneer tosses a blanket over it, making it listenable but a bit dull. But the Denon Pre/Phono section allowed me to really hear everything without any strain.

Now prior to using the turntable, I had tried a few things on the CD side over and over again and the results were the same, so I gave into a Jolida 502 integrated that has been a relaxing fit to CD playback. It's non fatiguing, but a bit blurred, plays deep but not controlled.

I've really been wanting to thin out my gear as it is taking over. At least now I have a definite chopping block list after this experience.

Out:
Nikko Beta 20 preamp
Nikko Gamma 20 tuner
Parasound CDP1000 cd player
Parasound DAC1000 dac
Technics SL-B10 w/empire LTD Cart.
Boston VR500 speakers
 

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If the pioneer does not seem up to snuff with the rest of that, it needs work as historically they compete very well and have great pre-sections.
Thanks for a look at PS audioi.
 

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laatsch55 said:
If the pioneer does not seem up to snuff with the rest of that, it needs work as historically they compete very well and have great pre-sections.
Thanks for a look at PS audioi.
The pioneer has always kept up with everything.
 
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