Biwire or Biamping

[speakerman1]

I have my Epos biwired. On my one pair you can triple it. By biwiring it opened up my bass a lot. I use to Biamp with Marantz Mono-Blocks. They make some nice little monoblocks. They aren't that expensive either. They do sound good. I used a Hafler system back then and built my own speakers.

Larry

 

[Rex Everything]

I'm guessing you are talking about bi-amp. Using two amps and an external cross over.

I've never understood bu-wiring as there is no advantage to it.

 

[speakerman1]

Why is there no advantage. I'm feeding each section with a different wire. No external xover. You use different binding post to feed that speaker. When you Bi-wire you do the same thing just using one amp. I do believe because I did hear a difference. Trust me I wouldn't spend the money if it didn't. I had a very nice set of cables on there. I sold them used in one week for 800.00. I wouldn't have sold them if I didn't hear something different that I liked.
Larry

 

[jbeckva]

Why is there no advantage. I'm feeding each section with a different wire. No external xover. You use different binding post to feed that speaker. When you Bi-wire you do the same thing just using one amp. I do believe because I did hear a difference. Trust me I wouldn't spend the money if it didn't. I had a very nice set of cables on there. I sold them used in one week for 800.00. I wouldn't have sold them if I didn't hear something different that I liked.
Larry

Hmmmmm...

Although I've never actually "seen it", I do see possible merits in bi-wiring as long as each leg would feed a completely isolated crossover.

Not sure what I'm saying, but it goes along the lines of the difference in crossover design between one that is supposed to have all drivers on a single crossover versus separate drivers - each of which would have their own crossover network. There may be an advantage to having separate crossover networks, each fed separately by the amp?

(or did I just confuse the bejesus outta everyone... or myself??)

 

[Rex Everything]

I can't see there being any advantage of running two wires from one side of your amp just to run into the seperate speakers.

I do understand and have biamped and see how running seperate amps to a cross over fro highs, mids, low effects the sound but just adding an extra wire could do little IMHO.

 

[orange]

I recall that Sanyo had some car stereo models with built-in bi-amplification at the turn of the '80s?

The faces were standard sized and the back end tapered up to double-DIN size.

 

[speakerman1]

I can't see there being any advantage of running two wires from one side of your amp just to run into the seperate speakers.

I do understand and have biamped and see how running seperate amps to a cross over fro highs, mids, low effects the sound but just adding an extra wire could do little IMHO.

Hi Rex
I don't understand what you are saying. Can you explain why it wouldn't make a difference. It is that I heard the difference.

Larry

 

[stuwee]

I can't see there being any advantage of running two wires from one side of your amp just to run into the seperate speakers.

I do understand and have biamped and see how running seperate amps to a cross over fro highs, mids, low effects the sound but just adding an extra wire could do little IMHO.

Hi Rex
I don't understand what you are saying. Can you explain why it wouldn't make a difference. It is that I heard the difference.

Larry

I don't know what it's about but, my Logan Sequels are a first generation model, ML did the Sequel II's set up for bi-wireing, had something to do with the stat panel and the dynamic bass driver run separetly, the guys on the Logan board swear by it

I think some Celestion studio monitors were set up that way too.

I'd love to lateral bi-amp some Pilot SA232's into something fun......

 

[Rex Everything]

Are we just talking bi-wire(running two wires out of one side of the amp and into the cross over of the speaker) or are we talking Bi-amping(using a seperate amp for Hi, Mids, Lows and an external, usually active, cross over)?

If the first, and you heard a difference then great. Not sure how it could make a difference but if you noticed it who am I to say you didn't.

Bi-wiring, to me, is on par with "Monster Cables". Looks good but no real benefit.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[Acoustic]

Are we just talking bi-wire(running two wires out of one side of the amp and into the cross over of the speaker) or are we talking Bi-amping(using a seperate amp for Hi, Mids, Lows and an external, usually active, cross over)?

If the first, and you heard a difference then great. Not sure how it could make a difference but if you noticed it who am I to say you didn't.

Bi-wiring, to me, is on par with "Monster Cables". Looks good but no real benefit.

Again, just my opinion.

My opinion is the same as Rex's (first time for everything ). Bi-wiring, to me, falls under the classification of cable voodoo. When I got back into audio, though before getting vintage, a pair of speaks I got had two terminals. I thought, what the heck do they have two sets of terminals?? Separate one for the highs and lows? Nope. So you could hook two amps to one speaker?? Maybe?? Then I read about the bi-wiring. Thought WTF, OK if one wire fails you got the other.... Asked my EE friend... and he said his crowd jokingly calls it 'buy-wiring'... use twice as much! Perhaps a master plan from Monster cable?? Though, as stated, if it sounds good, do it. No foul or harm.

 

[speakerman1]

My wires start as two and come out as four. The only thing I could see it doing is having less power than Biamping. I take the jumpers off so they are feeding different crossovers. You can't just say because so and so said so. I mean explain why it is voodoo. If you explain it then I might agree. I did try it with just one set of cables on one side and biwired the other side and put one on A and one on B and switched them. If what you are saying is true what would be the difference in running 2 pair of speakers? Really guys I need you to explain your thinking. You can't just leave me hanging. I am trying to grasp your points every way I can. Now I just thought if they are hooked up as a parallel circuit then you wont lose power. Plus your resistance would be less than your lowest resistance. Which they are so now I really can't see it. Guys you have to explain to me why. I can explain Monster Wires and why they are crap or no different than other wires. Really I'm not being mean ; but please explain to me. I am trying to grasp your thoughts.

Larry

 

[Rex Everything]

Ok, let's start at the begining

Your cabels come out of the back of your amp and terminate in four wires. These are then conected to what, the crossover from the speaker manufacuter? If so what would be different than just running one wire to the speaker terminals?

 

[speakerman1]

They are connected to 2 crossovers because you pulled the jumpers. The same as if you were biamping and since they are in parallel you would have the or close to the same amount of power going to them.

Larry

 

[Rex Everything]

They are connected to 2 crossovers because you pulled the jumpers. The same as if you were biamping and since they are in parallel you would have the or close to the same amount of power going to them.

Larry

So really you are just jumpering the crossovers from the outside instead of the inside like stock.

I can see no advantage to this as it really has changed nothing, BUT if you've heard it in your system then it works for you.

 

[speakerman1]

They are connected to 2 crossovers because you pulled the jumpers. The same as if you were biamping and since they are in parallel you would have the or close to the same amount of power going to them.

Larry

So really you are just jumpering the crossovers from the outside instead of the inside like stock.

I can see no advantage to this as it really has changed nothing, BUT if you've heard it in your system then it works for you.

It is stock. I wish my Norman Labs had binding posts. I hate those little clip thing. I have the parts to put binding posts in. Just haven't done it. When I do I'll take a look at the xovers and see if I can seperate at the xovers. Well it may have been I went with a different type of wire also. Who knows?

Larry

 

[Web Police]

I could see where Bi or Tri Amping might make a difference, but I fail to see how bi-wiring would make much of an audible difference. But as has been said if you have tried it and believe it sounds better, then that is what audio is all about. No different than the 1000's of speakers made and each one probably has it's fans.