anybody seen this article? - Vinyl's great, but it's not better than CDs -

[dingus]

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/19/5626058/vinyls-great-but-its-not-better-than-cds


a well presented argument that did nothing to alter my view on the subject. food for though and all that...

 

[BlazeES]

I read it. Have to agree to some extent but then again, both formats have their negative aspects.
Found it over all educational if you put the controversial stuff aside...

Posted that up on the RSD thread a few days back:

A highly opinionated piece but an interesting read no-less. There are some really interesting perspectives in this article and many points of common sense I agree with.

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/19/5626058/vinyls-great-but-its-not-better-than-cds

Has a video embedded in it too. Very educational:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v0bMI2JB-vY

 

[Miracle Mile]

Although it's old news to me, it's not a bad article.

Thanks for posting this

 

[nobody]

This quote was the key for me.

"They sound different, and that's exactly the point."

And then there are the habits, rituals and ways we go about day that makes one preferable over another. I think the idea either is inherently "better" than the other is preposterous. It's all a subjective question of how you like to listen to your music. And I think that was a pretty good article in articulating that fact.

 

[BlazeES]

Although it's old news to me, it's not a bad article.

Thanks for posting this

Spoken like a true Digital Dissident!

 

[orange]

I'll play just about anything *except a playa*, and no matter what some say about CDs they are a product I have known since I was 15 and they had a huge impact on my life. They were and are still an amazing creation and I just listen to them or burn more.

I accept the quality of a Dictaphone recording because it's not even remotely meant for music or fidelity. If a format can produce good results at lower bitrates (mp3 certainly CAN if used correctly, and it's not a format that will be affected by broadcasting troubles over the air, mainly the quality of the container and playback device)...digital broadcasting is still not made to work with our legacy amplitude and frequency modulation systems and IMO are NOT the placea to cram them in.

Still a strong advocate of classic radio broadcasting, it ain't broken as a system, it doesn't need digital. Tell the FCC to join the Canadians and the rest of the world and find a standard outside of legacy bands.

(No soapboxes in here but I'm off that )

 

[BlazeES]

...digital broadcasting is still not made to work with our legacy amplitude and frequency modulation systems and IMO are NOT the placea to cram them in.

Still a strong advocate of classic radio broadcasting, it ain't broken as a system, it doesn't need digital. Tell the FCC to join the Canadians and the rest of the world and find a standard outside of legacy bands.

Have you listened to AM HD and FM HD stations on a capable receiver? If that is the type of digital broadcasting you refer to Steven, I'd say - Give it another look!

 

[orange]

As a supporter of the previous AM stereo formats and knowing full well how the added digital signal on the FM channel can only rob carrier power for the analog signal and degrade the CNR (carrier noise ratio) to dismal levels for a decent signal in oulying areas that are increasingly important to broadcasters, I just cannot. I've also heard from listeners in places like Portland and San Francisco report of the myriad of problems for both. When the delay results in severe chatter and loss of continuity from buffering that has to be inherent, enjoyablility drops to nil in a mobile environment. Maybe if you are dead still and don't have any multipath or aren't in the shadow of decent reception it works great.

That and some time back the people at the university radio network here were running HD FM on a signal they had never bothered to put MPX on in nearly twenty years and it was so poorly set up on the analog side it was making my first homebrewed and cherished stereo pair of speakers RING HORRIBLY. They said they could not alter the analog signal or process it differently.

I was listening the entire time of the west coast IBOC (HD AM) trials in Nevada and it would later simply wipe out another station from Denver (KOA) and I had a Delco UX-1 in my Chevy at the time. It wasn't as much KOA as the non-IBOC country station in Henderson, Nevada that was wiped out by the IBOC station two channels adjacent that was in the trials with it and as I recall both were Clear Channel's, as was KOA.

This was braindead and I wouldn't care if it was in color. I have heard the HD FM signal of a commercial broadcaster on a GM Delco car radio but it was just the same programming as the analog content. It was not impressive or earthshattering, it was just a signal. When MTS was new, I heard Barbra Streisand's 'Somewhere' from The Broadway Album on Entertainment Tonight from a Sylvania Superset II that barely topped 10 kHz response with horrid THD compared to a really bad underdash, yet THAT was incredible. If you have something to trumpet you could at least DO IT RIGHT. AM stereo sounded RIGHT, platform motion or falsing included.

Why bother? It's simulcasting all over again. Get it the hell on it's own frequencies where it belongs and leave AM and FM to survive a few more decades like they should and will.

I've been a radio nut since I was four, it's a non-issue to me.

 

[Gepetto]

If the article was titled "Vinyl's great, but it's not better than SACDs" then I would not have any argument with it.

 

[orange]

Vinyl IS great, but it's even better with cheeseburgers.

 

[laatsch55]

Vinyl IS great, but it's even better with cheeseburgers.

Thank you Steven, you made to much sense in your last post......

 

[orange]

The vinyl should optimally be in a Seeburg or Rock-ola but there's nothing wrong with DIY.

 

[Rat44]

It all boils down to what sounds good to YOU.
I enjoy LP's but hate the pops and clicks and the whole ritual of playing it.
Tape hiss can be very distracting but a well done recording on a RTR is very pleasing to the ear.
I'm a late comer to the SACD party but it is starting to grow on me,more accurate sound than what CD's promised.
As far as CD's and cassette are concerned I used them for the convenience factor not their sound qualities although they can sound pretty well too.
To me its like deciding on whether to have a glass of Scotch or a good beer,just depends on what mood I'm in.

Dennis

 

[BubbaH]

Perhaps the best audio-based case for vinyl is actually precisely the fact that it does mess up the original recording. A lot of vinyl fans talk about the "warmth" of records, particularly of the low-end. But, as Pitchfork's Mark Richardson puts it, "the 'warmth' that many people associate with LPs can generally be described as a bass sound that is less accurate." The difficulty of accurately translating bass lines to vinyl without making grooves too big means that engineers have to do a lot of processing to get it to work, which changes the tone of the bass in a way that, apparently, many people find aesthetically pleasing.
"Warmth" also comes from flaws in record players. As the University of Waterloo's Stanley Lipshitz once explained to Popular Science, speaker sound and the needle's height fluctuations can cause the record to vibrate, which the needle in turn picks up and translates into a "warmer" seeming sound.

I like that part.

I stay away from using any terms like that when it comes to any listening.

Wonder if this article was written by the guy on AK that plugs his ipod into his phono section.....

 

[NavLinear]

To me its like deciding on whether to have a glass of Scotch or a good beer,just depends on what mood I'm in.

Dennis

Boilermaker dude!