Using 4 ohm sub with Hafler P-500 amp

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Kevin would like to use his Hafler P-500 to power his Lambda Acoustic diver for his sub...It is a single 4 ohm coil modelo. I have read that you can use a cap or something to change the impedence of a driver, but don't know the downside or other particulars of doing this. Please help us decide what to do and how to do it..Remember he'll be running 500 PLUS watts to this, so I don't know if it is even possible to buy a large enough cap... Might just need a new driver..

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Sutton,
After researching what other people are doing and the design of the P-500, I think you can safely run the single 4 Ohm VC Lambda with the Hafler amplifier in bridged mode. I say this because the P-500 is the professional version of the DH-500 and it is more robust with a higher rated transformer and better protection circuitry. Even though the amp is rated at 800 Watts at 8 Ohms in bridged mode, 4 Ohms is safe if the connections are good and tight.

However, there are some caveats: Do not replace the line, rail power (inside the chassis), or speaker fuses with different ratings than the ones called for by Hafler. Also, do not drive the amplifier into clipping (the red lights on the front panel) because the amplifier will sound distorted and damage the speaker. Finally, if the air coming out of the back is very warm and the fan is running at full speed (not half speed), the amp is working too hard and a different speaker load closer to 8 Ohms is called for (obviously, you don't want to block the air intakes on the sides or the vent in the back). At full power (which you should avoid) and 4 Ohm speaker loading there is a potential for massive amounts of power/voltage/current (1600 Watts/80 Volts/20 Amps) at the speaker wires. If they cross, there will be a fire. If they become momentarily disconnected, there will be sparks, if the amp is "on" do not switch the "Stereo/Mono" switch under load, internal parts will fry.

A capacitor in series with the speaker will block the low frequencies depending on the rating. This is not what you want for a subwoofer. What is the preamp source? Is it a real subwoofer output signal?

After all that, if you are still willing, let us know how it works out.
 
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Hey Mark...I pulled my Sub Out of it's box yesterday and took it out Suttons house to see what I had... Yep.. 4ohm. My pre-amp is a Sherwood P-965 ! It is a true source. Thanks again... I got the amp yesterday and the other one left here yesterday... I was standing there when it came and we stuck the other one in the box and put it right back on the truck !!!
 

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Sutton just left for Florida. When he gets back monday we will send ya the T-S Parameters on it.. I know it is a TD-15.. Its not a apollo upgrade. It has an aluminum phase plug. Nick Mckinney made it !
 

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Nice drivers! Wish I had a matched pair to play with. I DID notice that they have like four different versions of the TD15, all with very different specs... TD15M, S, X, etc.

What are the goals for this subwoofer system (I'm wondering about cabinet and/or cabinet design if DIY?) How big a room? I'm assuming you are still wanting to press the aforementioned P-500 into service or is there another amp that is to be used?
 

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Yep... I want to use the p-500... My room is 16x32.. I dont know the specs right off on the cabinet but... we did biuld it..
 

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But how does the P-500 sound?

The Sherwood is a nice AV preamp/receiver. It has a true 7.1 subwoofer output.
 
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But how does the P-500 sound?

The Sherwood is a nice AV preamp/receiver. It has a true 7.1 subwoofer output.
I've not had the Sherwood but about a month. Im still trying to figure it out. It's way over my head ! Ididn't want to hook the Hafler up till I found out it would be ok on my Sub. I may pull one of my PL's out tonight and run it a while. Just not had time yet !
 

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I may know where a pair of these are.

Fostex FE208Sigma drivers
A very good driver 8" full range driver you can't get any more. Should be good in a back loaded horn or even a simple bass reflex (in fact I have already built boxes that should be good with those). Around US$140-160 each, new. Rare to find bare metal... most already have cabinets that someone has made for them.
 

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I've not had the Sherwood but about a month. Im still trying to figure it out. It's way over my head ! Ididn't want to hook the Hafler up till I found out it would be ok on my Sub. I may pull one of my PL's out tonight and run it a while. Just not had time yet !
I don't see why you couldn't run the P-500 with that sub. It's rated for 4 ohm continuous use with impedance drops to 2 ohms and has more than enough grunt for that driver, even running just one side in stereo mode.
 

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Lmao.... Yea... You nailed me !!! Thats what will happen... But believe me.. I really want to do better !!
 

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So, you got her hooked up yet? I believe I'd try non-bridged mode as well. Just to see what you get. 250 Hafler watts might just do it for you Kevin. And if not, you can always bridge it and see if you can blow the amp or melt the voice coil first...I'd vote on a simultaneous event..
 
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